Brian May writes:
> Some don't even have Internet access.
So, how do you propose reportbug should handle those? Send a fax?
Seriously, what problem do you have that isn't solved by
"reportbug --offline --output=foo"
?
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Marc Haber writes:
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 15:42:51 -0700, Steve Langasek
> wrote:
>>With an event-based init system such as upstart, you could also set up the
>>service not to start until the specified interface is fully configured.
>
> Issue (1): We don't have event-based init system yet
> Issue
Stanisław Findeisen writes:
> Well but the quoted text *is* there... (at least in the copy I received
> from liszt.debian.org).
Both problems (missing text and visible =20) are caused by MIME headers
missing from the first part of your message. The quoted text is hidden
because there is no empt
Fernando Lemos writes:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
>> Preparing to replace network-manager 0.8.3.999-1 (using .../network-
>> manager_0.8.3.999-1_amd64.deb) ...
>> Unpacking replacement network-manager ...
>> Setting up network-manager (0.8.3.999-1) ...
>> Reloading
"Josselin Mouette" writes:
> Björn Mork wrote:
>> Martin Wuertele writes:
>>> up ip rule add
>>> downip rule del
>
>> The power of the pre-up/up/down/post-down scripting is tremendous.
>
> So is that of NM dispatcher scripts.
And this is documented where.
> What is y
Patrick Schoenfeld writes:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 02:01:06PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> Josselin Mouette writes:
>>
>> > Since it was completely redesigned, almost from scratch, this doesn’t
>> > apply for 0.8. Its system daemon is able to manage connecti
Martin Wuertele writes:
> * Timo Juhani Lindfors [2011-04-15 14:18]:
>
>> ip rule show | grep -Ev '^(0|32766|32767):|iif lo' \
>> | while read PRIO NATRULE; do
>> ip rule del prio ${PRIO%%:*} $( echo $NATRULE | sed 's|all|0/0|' )
>> done
>
> iface ethX inet static
> address x.x.x.x
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Since it was completely redesigned, almost from scratch, this doesn’t
> apply for 0.8. Its system daemon is able to manage connections without
> anyone logged on, and with a number of features that makes ifupdown look
> like a baby toy.
So Network-Manager has finally g
Stephan Seitz writes:
> The only thing that I miss from ifupdown (and I configured bonds,
> bridges and vlans) is a good IPv6 support. I can’t separately activate
> or deactivate IPv4 or IPv6 parts of an interface.
I have seen several requests for this feature, but I really don't
understand why
Brett Parker writes:
> Everything that you can do with ifupdown you can do with network
> manager,
That's simply not true.
You cannot use n-m remotely without having some out-of-band access.
For a start. Fix that, and I'll come back with the next issue. You
don't seem to have a clue wrt the
Steve Langasek writes:
> Yes, a user can do anything with ifconfig if his time has no value. I am
> happily using network manager on my laptop, because unlike ifconfig it's
> easy to configure for use on new wireless networks.
>
> I am not happy that network manager bypasses ifconfig to do this;
Ben Hutchings writes:
> On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 23:07 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> Josselin Mouette writes:
>> > Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit :
>> >> Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that
>> >&g
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit :
>> Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that
>> is better designed. But, due to lack of manpower I think, this project
>> did not finish. See this archives of netconf-de...@lists.a
James Vega writes:
> The bug[0] which was the impetus behind adding that script seems sound
> to me. Delaying hibernation to ensure that the system isn't left in an
> unbootable state is a fair trade-off.
>
> [0]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/191514
Yes, its an ugly bug
Neil Williams writes:
> Different package objectives. cron-apt may be what you are actually
> thinking of. Even then, I wouldn't use cron-apt on a laptop.
Well, I do like security updates to just be there and I don't like to do
sysadmin tasks. So I want some sort of automated package upgrades.
Neil Williams writes:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:43:23 +0100
> Bjørn Mork wrote:
>
>> Can any package just provide the hook directories it want without an
>> explicit policy?
>
> A general policy for all hooks sounds like a difficult thing to create
> - it could
James Vega writes:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> My claim is that packages like unattended-upgrades and pm-utils are
>> completely unrelated to each other, and that a hook in
>> unattended-upgrades which breaks pm-utils by preventing hibernation
After discovering two different unrelated packages abusing the pm-utils
hooks, I started wondering if there are any generic guidance wrt such
hooks.
Can any package just provide the hook directories it want without an
explicit policy? And can any package provide hooks in such directories,
even
Michael Biebl writes:
> Completely agreed. The focus of dependency based boot is correctness.
> The old system with static start/stop priorities was a pain to maintain and
> actually had many bugs which were effectively impossible to change, because
> changing the priority of *one* package can le
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le mardi 11 janvier 2011 à 18:27 +0100, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
>> If I wanted some random package maintainer to mess with my configuration
>> files, then I would probably just have used Fedora or whatever.
>
> I am not seeking the opinion of other ra
Josselin Mouette writes:
> On a different, although similar issue, how would a change
> of /etc/inittab in a maintainer script be regarded?
> (I’m considering it for gdm3 in wheezy.)
If I wanted some random package maintainer to mess with my configuration
files, then I would probably just have u
Russ Allbery writes:
> For reference for others reading this, the postinst of the relevant
> package follows. Note that it adds an unqualified hostname, potentially
> shadowing a system in the local domain, if the user agrees to update
> /etc/hosts. The debconf question is priority: high and de
Philipp Kern writes:
> DHCPv4 and DHCPv6 are sufficiently different protocol-wise to warrant two
> different clients. (The v6 people might not want to deal with the cruft
> of DHCPv4 too...)
Absolutely!
Create a new DHCPv6 client, cleanly implementing the protocol without
having to carry all
Ron Johnson writes:
> On 07/22/2010 11:42 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> But this is not a problem you can solve. You cannot avoid requiring
>> some effort from users wanting to report a bug.
>>
>
> For some value of "some effort".
>
> MS
Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 06:00:44PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> > No, we obviosely do not. When staffing bothes in the past I regularly
>> > asked people to report their problem and they had no idea how to do
>> > (because they did no
Andreas Tille writes:
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:05:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>>So, point 2: are we *advertising* reportbug enough to our users?
>>In particular, I'm thinking about advertising in "push mode" rather
>>then in "pull mode".
>
> No, we obviosely do not. When
Russ Allbery writes:
> Having followed the Ubuntu bugs for many of my packages for several years
> now, I think Debian's bug system is considerably more user-friendly than
> Launchpad. It may not be as *pretty*, and it's not as easy to submit a
> bug, but when you submit a bug to Debian, the cha
"Jesús M. Navarro" writes:
> "so good that *I* will prefer it over others".
The problem with this is that we all(?) already prefer Debian.
In my eyes, there is no question about which distro to choose. I prefer
Debian for so many reasons that I'm not sure I'm able to list them all.
But some o
Joachim Wiedorn writes:
> After the long silence about the popular bootloader LILO the development
> was started again.
>
> The new Homepage can be found here:
> http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/
>
> For the development of the bootloader I have started an Alioth project
> with Git repository and Mai
Petter Reinholdtsen writes:
> [Petter Reinholdtsen]
>> Are there better ways to do this? Anyone willing to work on it?
>
> One alternative would be to move the information out of the
> discover-data package, and into the Packages file instead, similar to
> how Iceweasel[1] and Moonlight[2] might
Paul Wise writes:
> How many times will this discussion will go round and round in
> circles? I'm getting dizzy.
I believe it will continue until someone finds the end of the circle.
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Daniel Baumann writes:
> as of current git, you can now use EXTLINUX_UPDATE=false in
> /etc/default/extlinux to prevent having update-extlinux do anything.
That's the single feature I misseded. Thanks.
Although it would be even better if it was possible to include some
fixed part in it, while
Goswin von Brederlow writes:
> A HTTP/1.1 conforming server or proxy
This is not the real world...
> is free to process pipelined
> requests serially one by one. The only requirement is that it does not
> corrupt the second request by reading all available data into a buffer,
> parsing the fir
Pierre Habouzit writes:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:42:55AM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>
>> 2) http proxy servers cannot always process pipelined requests due to
>>the complexity this adds (complexity is always bad for security), and
>
> This is bullshit. It&#
Petter Reinholdtsen writes:
> [Roger Lynn]
>> But apt has been using pipelining for years. Why has this only just
>> become a problem?
>
> It has been a problem in Debian Edu for years. Just recently I
> figured out the cause and a workaround.
And FWIW I have experienced this problem for years t
Fabian Greffrath writes:
> - Sites with domain names like do already exist!
> Do you think they should be accessible by any other proprietary
> operating system, but not Debian? Not really!
Anyone can enter bogus data in the DNS. Neither the existence of such
data nor the failure to detect it
Jarek Kamiński writes:
> Yes. Following code actually works (runs with bindv6only enabled,
> listens on [::]:1234 and accepts connection made to localhost:1234):
I'm sure it works. But I wanted to note that "localhost" is somewhat
ambigious. It may include ::1
ipv6-pppoe-1:~# grep localhos
Luk Claes writes:
> This discussion on -devel is quite useless and contra productive for
> everyone involved.
>
> There is currently discussion ongoing about how to move forward, though
> due to the complex nature of the current situation (where also lots of
> FUD etc is on the lists), it is bein
Ana Guerrero writes:
> If you really want to help, read the mail archive of the debian-python
> mailing list [1] (optionally hang out in the IRC channel), and get
> an idea of what the problem is.
> I also advise to take a look to the archive to people participating
> in this thread who has no
Nicolas François writes:
> When an user is created, useradd creates a /var/mail/$USER mailbox with
> the mode 0660 (owned by $USER:mail).
>
> I heard this causes some issues for dovecot, and a solution could be to
> move to mode 0600.
Where did you hear this?
Exactly what did you hear?
Is this
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le lundi 07 septembre 2009 à 20:00 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi a
> écrit :
>> Steve Langasek wrote:
>> > Case 1, please. Either case 2 fails to handle the allocation error, or
>> > glib
>> > is doing its own abort. Neither is acceptable.
>
> Yeah, sure. As if there w
Raphael Hertzog writes:
> after several rounds of discussion on -devel, we now have a
> new standard defining meta-information to integrate on patches that we
> distribute/apply in our packages:
> http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
Just a minor comment on the examples: Please either use your own d
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le lundi 07 septembre 2009 à 11:48 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
>> You're not seriously suggesting that DeviceKit-disks usage of g_print
>> instead of printf is actually adding anything useful?
>
> Yeah sure, just look at g_print and not at
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le vendredi 04 septembre 2009 à 19:32 +0200, Hendrik Sattler a écrit :
>> It rather needs to raise the question why simple low-level tools use
>> something
>> like libglib?
>
> I’d rather raise the question why each of our simple low-level tools
> implement its data s
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On your part, you could try to understand them instead of attributing to
> me straw man positions.
That's a good advice. Thanks. Please help me understand: What is the
usb-db and/or pci-db use case?
I'm afraid my creative imagination is far too limited to
Hendrik Sattler writes:
> Am Freitag 04 September 2009 16:36:52 schrieb Michael Biebl:
>> devkit-disks-part-id and devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart both link against
>> libraries which are (currently) in /usr/lib, i.e.
>> devkit-disks-part-id links against libglib-2.0 (784K)
>> devkit-disks-probe-ata-
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Sep 04, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> Whatever the cause, it breaks the FHS.
> Since it keeps being repeated, it is time to destroy this argument.
> FHS documents what distributions want to do: of the other relevant
> distributions, representatives from Red Hat
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Sep 04, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>
>> Yes. Any device specific matching should use vid:pid. How about just
>> disabling the /lib/udev/{pci,usb}-db helpers alltogether to avoid ever
>> getting any users of this info in D
Steve Langasek writes:
> I still can't fathom why someone decided that udev should be responsible for
> translating PCI IDs and USB IDs into text strings. This smells of crazy.
Yes. Any device specific matching should use vid:pid. How about just
disabling the /lib/udev/{pci,usb}-db helpers al
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes:
> 5) We create a new free database.
>
> I don't think is too difficult, and I think we would have support
> also at high level.
> But it needs a lot of communication works: the term of service of
> IANA and the RIRs (Regional Internet Registry) forbid to spider and
Tollef Fog Heen writes:
> ]] Roger Leigh
>
> | Having working local networking is important. We wouldn't consider
> | broken IPv4 loopback acceptable, and broken IPv6 loopback is just as
> | bad.
>
> Sure, having it working is important. Is it more important than keeping
> those (often new) use
Clint Adams writes:
> -idl=$(ls /etc/init.d/${service} 2> /dev/null | head -n 1)
> +idl="/etc/init.d/${service}"
> if [ -n "$idl" ] && [ -x $idl ]; then
You might as well remove the -n test if you do this. There's not much
chance of hitting it anymore...
Bjørn
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Josselin Mouette writes:
> I’m not subscribed to any list which set the Reply-To header. Could you
> at least show some examples of such lists in the free software world?
What's "the free software world"? Is that a separate networking domain,
or is it connected to the Internet?
Anyway, here ar
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Mail-Followup-To is:
> A. Useless junk without clear semantics
> B. Violating standards
Which standards would that be?
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Holger Levsen writes:
> On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote:
>> * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header,
>
> does someone know why?
I don't know, but there are plenty of reasons to choose from. See e.g.
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
Those not wanting redund
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
>> Hal checks the drive capabilities and shouldn't be polling drives that
>> support async notifications. Is that code not working for you?
>
> It is working fine, thanks for the head's up about it disabling the p
Mike Hommey writes:
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 09:56:54AM +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
>> Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 22.30 +0200, Mike Hommey ha scritto:
>> [...]
>> > I'm not sure iceweasel uses gnome settings, but uses what gnome exports
>> > in the *_proxy environment variable. Can you check
Michael Biebl writes:
> See the hal-disable-polling man page. In short: hardware support for MMC media
> change notification is broken.
Err. You are using the "broken firmware" argument both ways.
You should follow your own advice regarding the drives spinning up:
Implement a blacklist of devi
Matthew Garrett writes:
> powertop makes various recommendations that are only useful in very
> specific circumstances. Disabling polling in hal saves you a small (and
> probably not useful in the real world) amount of power, but is required
> to get to the number of wakeups per second that Arjan
Josselin Mouette writes:
> If it’s just your decision, why are you bitching on this list?
That's a good question. It was fun for a while. But I think the
spectators are getting a bit bored. I'll stop now. Thanks for your
answers. Believe it or not, but I've learned a lot about hal from this
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le lundi 20 avril 2009 à 10:26 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
>> I prefer non-broken defaults. hal defaults are broken. No, the keys are
>> not always mapped to standard XF86* names. They are sometimes mapped
>> into the blue.
>>
>
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le jeudi 16 avril 2009 à 15:06 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
>> >> a) laptop keys remapped or disappearing (might be caused by the driver -
>> >>I don't know)
>> >
>> > Yes, they are remapped to the standard XF86* name
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le jeudi 16 avril 2009 à 00:34 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
>> My list of hal related regressions are
>> a) laptop keys remapped or disappearing (might be caused by the driver -
>>I don't know)
>
> Yes, they are remapped to t
Julien Cristau writes:
> On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 10:25 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> Well, you can always argue that the rest can be fixed. Provide patches
>> etc. But the point is that hal implies a regression for many (most?)
>> users.
>
> please stop the FUD.
Sorr
Julien Cristau writes:
> On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 14:04 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 09:55:39PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> > As (co-)maintainer of pm-utils and hal, I'd prefer if we could work towards
>> > standardizing on one power management stack in Debian (and not i
Samuel Thibault writes:
> Giacomo Catenazzi, le Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0200, a écrit :
>> Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> >> I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
>> >> (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
>> >> without capability to rescue
Ben Hutchings writes:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:08:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>
>> mii-tool may not be meant for scripts, but I for one have used it in
>> the past to force speed/duplex like this:
>>
>> iface eth1 inet static
>> addr
Martín Ferrari writes:
> Problematic tools:
> * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as
> it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand,
> it's distributed as a stand-alone tool [0] and we could do the same.
A couple of notes:
mii-tool and
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le vendredi 27 février 2009 à 14:33 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> > Like the other poster, cli is very confusing. If we have enough
>> > packages (get me a list/matches :) ), im not against a section for it,
>> > but cli
Noah Slater writes:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 05:18:39PM -0800, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
>> I think that the description explains that the purpose is to find hidden
>> directories on web servers, presumably either your own or other people's.
>
> Why would you need to find directories on your own serv
Florian Weimer writes:
> * Emilio Pozuelo Monfort:
>
>> Description : automatic proxy configuration management library
>>
>> libproxy is a lightweight library which makes it easy to develop
>> applications proxy-aware with a simple and stable API.
>
> WPAD is a broken protocol with securit
Gerrit Pape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi, I'm quite surprised how the inclusion of qmail and related packages
> into sid is handled, or rather not handled, by the ftpmasters.
I downloaded the netqmail source from http://dbn.smarden.org/sid/ and
looked briefly at it, to see if most of the well
Moritz Muehlenhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't
> have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny.
You are aware of upstream's attitude towards security holes? There are
lots of assumptions like "nobody will ever do ...".
Luca Capello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [2] http://www.g10-code.de/p-card.html
I assume this was supposed to be
http://www.g10code.de/p-card.html
Bjørn
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Craig Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Craig Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> * Package name: gw6c
> Version : 5.1
> Upstream Author : Hexaco
> * URL : http://go6.net/4105/download.asp
> * License : BSD
> Programming
maximilian attems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> kernel-img.conf does not pertain to any package, this is meant to be solved
> postlenny by linux images using debian kernel toolkit [1]
>
> kind regards
>
> --
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>
> [1] http://multibuild.org/documentation/dkt
Sounds good! Thanks for the point
maximilian attems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 09:07:29AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
>>
>> If you have both GRUB and LILO installed, there will be problems. That
>> is infact, a bug. They should Conflict with each other to ensure that
>> only one can be installed at a t
William Pitcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If you have both GRUB and LILO installed, there will be problems. That
> is infact, a bug. They should Conflict with each other to ensure that
> only one can be installed at a time, but it is a minor bug at best, as
> any smart user would not have both
maximilian attems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> kernel-img.conf(5) has nothing to do with initramfs-tools.
> there you'll find do_bootloader documented.
I am glad you are referring to this man page. I found myself looking
for it a while ago, surprised to find that it wasn't installed on the
syst
"Dmitry E. Oboukhov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 18:42 Wed 13 Aug , Brian May wrote:
>> Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote:
>>> qemu makes mount the directory /tmp/mount.$$. Attacker creates many
>>> symlinks /tmp/dir.\d+ -> /etc and if qemu
>>> (/usr/sbin/qemu-make-debian-root) starts then /etc goe
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 08:48:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>> I really wish there was some organized way for packages to
>> automatically add schemas and settings to the OpenLDAP server
>> configuration, at install time.
>
> ldap is a network ba
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 01:47:51PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980
>
>> I just find it wierd that there doesn't appear t
Tiago Saboga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I prefer a) over b), but for the sake of completeness, we should point that
> there is third choice:
> c) allow it to work, automagically determining new ports
>
> For this to work, the user would have to choose which server is the "main"
> one. I don't
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Yet there are also many users, probably those who are not
> professional administrators, that _need_ for everything to work out of the
> box.
> Who should we help more: those who get paid to administer the machines,
> and are probably much more knowledable, or the oc
Gerrit Pape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 11:34:14PM +0100, Sz?kelyi Szabolcs wrote:
>> can anyone tell why ftpds do conflict with each other and why httpds do
>> not?
>
> Actually the httpds should conflict too as they install listeners on
> 0.0.0.0:80.
Nope, not IMHO. The
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