Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 23 juillet 2014 à 16:12 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > Someone with more detailed desktop knowledge should read this over and > correct it as necessary. This is just my understanding of what's going > on, and I don't work with the software in question and could be wrong in > some det

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Vincent Lefevre writes: > On 2014-07-22 19:54:10 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> logind is also not mandatory in Debian now. It's just required, >> upstream, by all the major desktop environments. > Not just by all the major desktop environments. It is also needed by > hplip via dependencies[*],

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-07-22 19:54:10 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > logind is also not mandatory in Debian now. It's just required, upstream, > by all the major desktop environments. Not just by all the major desktop environments. It is also needed by hplip via dependencies[*], which is quite surprising for a "H

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >> However, you're doing this during boot, so there *are* no active users, >> since the system hasn't come up far enough to let anyone log in yet. So >> it makes sense that you don't get a prompt. > Does that mean that the new pid 1 expects users to be logged in befor

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-23 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> However, you're doing this during boot, so there *are* no active users, > since the system hasn't come up far enough to let anyone log in yet. So > it makes sense that you don't get a prompt. Does that mean that the new pid 1 expects users to be logged in before it starts the system? -- Julius

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:58:32AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >> Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that >> systemd is mandatory in Debian now. Which - as you also said - is >> wrong, at least for two reasons: a.) it's logind, not systemd an

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:58:32AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that > systemd > is mandatory in Debian now. Which - as you also said - is wrong, at least for > two reasons: a.) it's logind, not systemd and b.) only desktops are

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Steve, thanks for the technical details, much appreciated. On Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: > There was nothing in Julian's message which was a rant, so I don't think > this response is called for. Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that system

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 01:26:47AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use > > sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I > > should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv.

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Holger Levsen writes: > On Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014, Julian Gilbey wrote: >> For me, this is a killer, as I still do not know how to solve the >> problem I asked a while back on debian-user >> (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg01286.html): in >> summary, I need to unlock an encrypte

all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, (as this thread has already attracted two "interesting replies", I'll try again to convey the message which has not been heard yet... I don't have high hopes this thread won't become a flamefest, but I want to at least try to kill the flames before they explode...) (And if you know systemd