Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-18 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On 17 Jun 2003 at 22:02, Russell Coker wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:27, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > > What I'm looking for is a possibility to see if this router (that > > denies ping- packets) is still available? I have Nagios running and > > normally it monitors h

Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-18 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On 17 Jun 2003 at 22:02, Russell Coker wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:27, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > > What I'm looking for is a possibility to see if this router (that > > denies ping- packets) is still available? I have Nagios running and > > normally it monitors h

RE: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Peter An. Zyumbilev
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RE: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Peter An. Zyumbilev
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Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:27:16PM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > hosts via ping. So I need a replacement that would tell me if this router on > the way to a server is reachable. I want to test the whole path to see where > an > error occured. Well, is it possible to "simulate

Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:27, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > What I'm looking for is a possibility to see if this router (that denies > ping- packets) is still available? I have Nagios running and normally it > monitors hosts via ping. So I need a replacement that would tell me if this >

Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 at 10:15:49, Russell Coker wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:05, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > > both tracert and ping use ICMP. So did they just block some kind of > > ICMP-message (ping) for this router? How could I solve this problem? > > Your message was no

Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:27:16PM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > hosts via ping. So I need a replacement that would tell me if this router on > the way to a server is reachable. I want to test the whole path to see where an > error occured. Well, is it possible to "simulate&qu

Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:27, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > What I'm looking for is a possibility to see if this router (that denies > ping- packets) is still available? I have Nagios running and normally it > monitors hosts via ping. So I need a replacement that would tell me if this >

Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 at 10:15:49, Russell Coker wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:05, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > > both tracert and ping use ICMP. So did they just block some kind of > > ICMP-message (ping) for this router? How could I solve this problem? > > Your message was no

Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:05, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > both tracert and ping use ICMP. So did they just block some kind of > ICMP-message (ping) for this router? How could I solve this problem? Your message was not clear, but it seems that you can see the router on a traceroute but can

Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Stefan Neufeind
Hi, both tracert and ping use ICMP. So did they just block some kind of ICMP-message (ping) for this router? How could I solve this problem? I need to check if the route to this router is alive - namely if the router is up. Can I trick this into working by choosing a TOS for ping manually

Re: Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-17 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:05, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > both tracert and ping use ICMP. So did they just block some kind of > ICMP-message (ping) for this router? How could I solve this problem? Your message was not clear, but it seems that you can see the router on a traceroute but can

Router appears in tracert but can't ping?

2003-06-16 Thread Stefan Neufeind
Hi, both tracert and ping use ICMP. So did they just block some kind of ICMP-message (ping) for this router? How could I solve this problem? I need to check if the route to this router is alive - namely if the router is up. Can I trick this into working by choosing a TOS for ping manually

Re: Ping message

2001-08-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 11:12:11AM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Christian Kurz wrote: > > > If you are really doing professional services then you should know how > > to tell your mailer to only send a mail to the list or either insert an > > appropriate comment telling me,

Re: Ping message

2001-08-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
). I was looking at iputils_20001110.orig.tar.gz as downloaded from debian's site. The manual page contains "iputils-ss990107". > > I believe -U uses different functionality (old feature) and > > bypasses this problem. > > -U does what? The version of ping that I

Re: Ping message

2001-08-09 Thread Christian Kurz
001, Christian Kurz wrote: > > > > Warning: time of day goes back, taking countermeasures. > > > I believe your ping command is using features only available in a newer > > > kernel. Maybe upgrade your kernel (2.4.4?) or see if your ping has a -U > > > switch to

Re: Ping message

2001-08-08 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Fernando Casas wrote: > If I use the -U argument, then the message is gone. > > And there are no error (or like error) messages. > > any ideas? Try upgrading your kernel (like I mentioned in a previous mail) or try downgrading your ping. > > >

Re: Ping message

2001-08-08 Thread Fernando Casas
If I use the -U argument, then the message is gone. And there are no error (or like error) messages. any ideas? Thanks in advance. >From: "Jeremy C. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Christian Kurz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: DEBIAN-ISP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subj

Re: Ping message

2001-08-08 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Christian Kurz wrote: > > > Warning: time of day goes back, taking countermeasures. > > > I believe your ping command is using features only available in a newer > > kernel. Maybe upgrade your kernel (2.4.4?) or see if your ping has a -U > > sw

Re: Ping message

2001-08-08 Thread Christian Kurz
On 01-08-08 Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Fernando Casas wrote: > > I´m getting this message every time i ping a machine on the LAN. And > > just on the LAN. > > Warning: time of day goes back, taking countermeasures. > I believe your ping comman

Re: Ping message

2001-08-08 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Fernando Casas wrote: > I´m getting this message every time i ping a machine on the LAN. And > just on the LAN. > > Warning: time of day goes back, taking countermeasures. I believe your ping command is using features only available in a newer kernel. Maybe

Ping message

2001-08-08 Thread Fernando Casas
I´m getting this message every time i ping a machine on the LAN. And just on the LAN.   Warning: time of day goes back, taking countermeasures.   Any ideas Thanks in advance.   **    Fernando Casas     LAN-WAN-Internet-Seguridad

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-04 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
t;It' solved, there were 2 reasons. > > Core dumps - hmmm, our admin borken the kernel by incorrectly patching > >it. > > Ping times - some stupid guy inserted two different CPUs PII 400 and 450. > > It's a miracle it was working all together... -=Czaj-nick=-

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-04 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
t;It' solved, there were 2 reasons. > > Core dumps - hmmm, our admin borken the kernel by incorrectly patching > >it. > > Ping times - some stupid guy inserted two different CPUs PII 400 and 450. > > It's a miracle it was working all together... -=Czaj-nick=-

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-03 Thread Chris Wagner
;> not work) >> >> 3. other bad hardware >> >> 4. bad libc6 or other library - not very likely. >> > >It' solved, there were 2 reasons. > Core dumps - hmmm, our admin borken the kernel by incorrectly patching >it. > Ping times - some stupid

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-03 Thread Chris Wagner
;> not work) >> >> 3. other bad hardware >> >> 4. bad libc6 or other library - not very likely. >> > >It' solved, there were 2 reasons. > Core dumps - hmmm, our admin borken the kernel by incorrectly patching >it. > Ping times - some stupid guy inser

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-03 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
s. Core dumps - hmmm, our admin borken the kernel by incorrectly patching it. Ping times - some stupid guy inserted two different CPUs PII 400 and 450. It's a miracle it was working all together... -=Czaj-nick=-

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-03 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
Core dumps - hmmm, our admin borken the kernel by incorrectly patching it. Ping times - some stupid guy inserted two different CPUs PII 400 and 450. It's a miracle it was working all together... -=Czaj-nick=- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 09:41:54PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > Anyway, my problem seems to be hardware: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ more /proc/misc > Segmentation fault > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ some possible causes: 1. bad memory - most likely. 2. bad swap partition (or bad disk controller c

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:47:38PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? > > > > http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt > > ?!? What do U mean ? he means you need to give your pigeons some time to

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 09:41:54PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > Anyway, my problem seems to be hardware: > > czajnik@earth:~$ more /proc/misc > Segmentation fault > czajnik@earth:~$ some possible causes: 1. bad memory - most likely. 2. bad swap partition (or bad disk controller causing

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-06-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:47:38PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? > > > > http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt > > ?!? What do U mean ? he means you need to give your pigeons some time t

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:47:38PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 30 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? > > > > > > http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt > > > >

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:47:38PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? > > > > http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt > > ?!? What do U mean ? It was a joke ... rfc 1149 is IP over avian c

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
On Wed, 30 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? > > http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt ?!? What do U mean ? isn't the ping time measured by storing system time the ICMP ECHO was sent, and comparng it to the system tim

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread horape
Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 03:24:39PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > > Look at this: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 156.17.209.1 > PING 156.17.209.1 (156.17.209.1): 56 data b

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:47:38PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 30 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? > > > > > > http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt > > > >

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:47:38PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? > > > > http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt > > ?!? What do U mean ? It was a joke ... rfc 1149 is IP over avian

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
On Wed, 30 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? > > http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt ?!? What do U mean ? isn't the ping time measured by storing system time the ICMP ECHO was sent, and comparng it to the system tim

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Ken Seefried wrote: > > I think that you can get this if you have an MP kernel compiled without > "Enhanced Real Time Clock" support. The default clock driver apparently > isn't MP-safe. Thx, I'll check it tomorrow :).

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread horape
Aren't you traveling several rfc1149 links? http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 03:24:39PM +0200, Przemyslaw Wegrzyn wrote: > > Look at this: > > czajnik@earth:~$ ping 156.17.209.1 > PING 156.17.209.1 (156.17.209.1): 56 data b

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Ken Seefried
I think that you can get this if you have an MP kernel compiled without "Enhanced Real Time Clock" support. The default clock driver apparently isn't MP-safe. Ken Seefried, CISSP Przemyslaw Wegrzyn writes: Look at this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 156.17.209.1 PI

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Ken Seefried wrote: > > I think that you can get this if you have an MP kernel compiled without > "Enhanced Real Time Clock" support. The default clock driver apparently > isn't MP-safe. Thx, I'll check it tomorrow :). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
Look at this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 156.17.209.1 PING 156.17.209.1 (156.17.209.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 156.17.209.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=247 time=5427.7 ms 64 bytes from 156.17.209.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=247 time=23.2 ms 64 bytes from 156.17.209.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=247 time=429492829.5 ms

Re: Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Ken Seefried
I think that you can get this if you have an MP kernel compiled without "Enhanced Real Time Clock" support. The default clock driver apparently isn't MP-safe. Ken Seefried, CISSP Przemyslaw Wegrzyn writes: > > Look at this: > > czajnik@earth:~$ ping 156.1

Ping - what the hell ?

2001-05-30 Thread Przemyslaw Wegrzyn
Look at this: czajnik@earth:~$ ping 156.17.209.1 PING 156.17.209.1 (156.17.209.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 156.17.209.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=247 time=5427.7 ms 64 bytes from 156.17.209.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=247 time=23.2 ms 64 bytes from 156.17.209.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=247 time=429492829.5 ms

RE: ping

2000-09-22 Thread Martin WHEELER
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > /sbin/ipchains -I imput -p icmp -l ^ > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote: > > /sbin/ipchains -I input -p icmp -l ^ -- Martin Wheeler -StarTEXT - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England [1]

RE: ping

2000-09-22 Thread Martin WHEELER
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > /sbin/ipchains -I imput -p icmp -l ^ > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote: > > /sbin/ipchains -I input -p icmp -l ^ -- Martin Wheeler -StarTEXT - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England [1

Re: ping

2000-09-22 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 at 21:46:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello All, > Is there a way to log incoming ICMP requests? What would have to be > wrapped in order to basically log all requests of the machine (pings in > particular) > > Thanks, > > D. Ghost > Packa

Re: ping

2000-09-22 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 at 21:46:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello All, > Is there a way to log incoming ICMP requests? What would have to be > wrapped in order to basically log all requests of the machine (pings in > particular) > > Thanks, > > D. Ghost > Pack

RE: ping

2000-09-21 Thread debian-isp
> > -jg > > -- > Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:46 PM > To: debian-isp > Subject: ping > > Hello All, > Is there a

RE: ping

2000-09-21 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
Sure, just use ipchains: /sbin/ipchains -I input -p icmp -l -jg -- Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:46 PM To: debian-isp Subject: ping Hello All, Is t

ping

2000-09-21 Thread debian-isp
Hello All, Is there a way to log incoming ICMP requests? What would have to be wrapped in order to basically log all requests of the machine (pings in particular) Thanks, D. Ghost

RE: ping

2000-09-21 Thread debian-isp
> > -jg > > -- > Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:46 PM > To: debian-isp > Subject: ping > > Hello All, > Is ther

RE: ping

2000-09-21 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
Sure, just use ipchains: /sbin/ipchains -I input -p icmp -l -jg -- Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:46 PM To: debian-isp Subject: ping Hello All, Is t

ping

2000-09-21 Thread debian-isp
Hello All, Is there a way to log incoming ICMP requests? What would have to be wrapped in order to basically log all requests of the machine (pings in particular) Thanks, D. Ghost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: ping of death attacks

2000-09-14 Thread Art Sackett
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 08:39:41PM +0200, Sven Burgener wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:13:07PM -0400, Chris Wagner wrote: > > Maybe he means ping floods? Pings of death usually will crash a > > box after a few packets hit it. As you said Debian is good about > >

Re: ping of death attacks

2000-09-14 Thread Sven Burgener
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:13:07PM -0400, Chris Wagner wrote: > Maybe he means ping floods? Pings of death usually will crash a > box after a few packets hit it. As you said Debian is good about > those kinds of things. Are these things just malformed packets / frames sent to some ma

Re: ping of death attacks

2000-09-14 Thread Art Sackett
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 08:39:41PM +0200, Sven Burgener wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:13:07PM -0400, Chris Wagner wrote: > > Maybe he means ping floods? Pings of death usually will crash a > > box after a few packets hit it. As you said Debian is good about > >

Re: ping of death attacks

2000-09-14 Thread Sven Burgener
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:13:07PM -0400, Chris Wagner wrote: > Maybe he means ping floods? Pings of death usually will crash a > box after a few packets hit it. As you said Debian is good about > those kinds of things. Are these things just malformed packets / frames sent to som

Re: ping of death attacks

2000-09-13 Thread Chris Wagner
At 11:33 AM 9/13/00 -0600, Nathan wrote: >What ping of death attacks? > >The only ones I have heard of, were fixed with kernel patches seriously >quick after they came out. Maybe he means ping floods? Pings of death usually will crash a box after a few packets hit it. As you said De

Re: ping of death attacks

2000-09-13 Thread Chris Wagner
At 11:33 AM 9/13/00 -0600, Nathan wrote: >What ping of death attacks? > >The only ones I have heard of, were fixed with kernel patches seriously >quick after they came out. Maybe he means ping floods? Pings of death usually will crash a box after a few packets hit it. As you sa

Re: ping of death attacks

2000-09-13 Thread Nathan
What ping of death attacks? The only ones I have heard of, were fixed with kernel patches seriously quick after they came out. On Wed, 13 Sep 100, Allen Ahoffman wrote: > Yes, I should find this elsewhere, but for speed's sake I'll ask here > anyway. > > Is Linux Debian

ping of death attacks

2000-09-13 Thread Allen Ahoffman
Yes, I should find this elsewhere, but for speed's sake I'll ask here anyway. Is Linux Debian or other vulnerable to "ping of death" DOS attacks? Thanks.

Re: ping of death attacks

2000-09-13 Thread Nathan
What ping of death attacks? The only ones I have heard of, were fixed with kernel patches seriously quick after they came out. On Wed, 13 Sep 100, Allen Ahoffman wrote: > Yes, I should find this elsewhere, but for speed's sake I'll ask here > anyway. > > Is Linux Debian

ping of death attacks

2000-09-13 Thread Allen Ahoffman
Yes, I should find this elsewhere, but for speed's sake I'll ask here anyway. Is Linux Debian or other vulnerable to "ping of death" DOS attacks? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]