Re: Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-05-16 Thread Jason A. Spiro
2007/5/15, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... How about: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd-nc/1.0/legalcode with 4. d. added saying: You may not publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform the Work except as part of the game and you may not d

Re: Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-05-15 Thread Jason A. Spiro
2007/4/27, Jason Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2007/4/27, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] How about using: > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd-nc/1.0/legalcode with 4. d. > added saying: > > You may not distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or > publicl

Re: Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-05-15 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue May 15 17:25, Jason A. Spiro wrote: > But one question: > > Do those license terms allow the songs to be distributed in a separate > Debian package from the primary "fretsonfire" package? No, it will have to be amended to allow this as was suggested elsewhere in this thread. > What if t

Re: Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-04-27 Thread Jason Spiro
2007/4/27, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu Apr 26 21:16, Jason Spiro wrote: > I don't know much about how to write licenses, and this is the first > one I have ever written. I figured that everything after the "subject > to the following conditions:" would automatically overri

Re: Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-04-27 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu Apr 26 21:16, Jason Spiro wrote: > I don't know much about how to write licenses, and this is the first > one I have ever written. I figured that everything after the "subject > to the following conditions:" would automatically override the initial > permissions I gave. I guess I was wro

Re: Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-04-27 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El jueves, 26 de abril de 2007 a las 16:25:40 -0400, Jason Spiro escribĂ­a: I have dropped Tommi, Sami and Joonas from the Cc because I don't think they want to be bothered too much with this kind of things, and only care about the results. Feel free to correct me if that isn't the case. > * Pers

Re: Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-04-26 Thread Jason Spiro
Hi Matthew, 2007/4/26, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu Apr 26 16:25, Jason Spiro wrote: > Copyright (C) > > Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining > a copy of this work (the "Work") to use, modify, copy, publish, > distribute, publicly perform,

Re: Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-04-26 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu Apr 26 16:25, Jason Spiro wrote: > Copyright (C) > > Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining > a copy of this work (the "Work") to use, modify, copy, publish, > distribute, publicly perform, and/or sublicense copies of the Work, > and/or to charge a fee for t

Could you please forward this proposed license to Teosto? (was: Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs)

2007-04-26 Thread Jason Spiro
2007/3/28, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue Mar 27 20:54, Jason Spiro wrote: > 2007/3/27, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > >> Maybe if debian-legal or I wrote the license (I have never written a > >> license before, but maybe I

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-30 Thread MJ Ray
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Apparently, if you *haven't* signed with any collecting agencies, these > folks automatically get the right to collect royalties "for" you. > [...] it stinks to high heaven -- it's one of the political > doublespeak moves where you create an organiza

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-29 Thread Terry Hancock
Jason Spiro wrote: > 2007/3/28, Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 3/28/07, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Yes that's the contract you have to sign to be part of Teosto (which >> you >> > have >> > to do if you ever want to make a living in Finland as a musician).

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-28 Thread MJ Ray
Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes that's the contract you have to sign to be part of Teosto (which you have > to do if you ever want to make a living in Finland as a musician). Please, ask Finland's *legislators* if the situation there is really that anti-competitive closed shop. I

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-28 Thread Jason Spiro
2007/3/28, Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/28/07, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes that's the contract you have to sign to be part of Teosto (which you > have > to do if you ever want to make a living in Finland as a musician). Ouch. As was indicated earlier this

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-28 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On 3/28/07, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes that's the contract you have to sign to be part of Teosto (which you have to do if you ever want to make a living in Finland as a musician). Ouch. As was indi

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-28 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 3/28/07, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes that's the contract you have to sign to be part of Teosto (which you have to do if you ever want to make a living in Finland as a musician). Ouch. As was indicated earlier this seems standard for all performance rights organisations. -

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-28 Thread Matthew Johnson
On 3/28/07, Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/28/07, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, it actually seems rather strange to me for an organization which > > is designed to "protect" artists disallowing artists from determining > > how their own works are licensed, s

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-28 Thread Florian Weimer
* Don Armstrong: > Well, it actually seems rather strange to me for an organization which > is designed to "protect" artists disallowing artists from determining > how their own works are licensed, This is common practice for organizations that collect royalties on behalf of composers. If you wa

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-28 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue Mar 27 20:54, Jason Spiro wrote: > 2007/3/27, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > >> Maybe if debian-legal or I wrote the license (I have never written a > >> license before, but maybe I could modify the MIT license) we could > >> get Teosto to agr

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 3/28/07, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, it actually seems rather strange to me for an organization which is designed to "protect" artists disallowing artists from determining how their own works are licensed, so I'm trying to give them the benifit of the doubt here. Do they r

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > 2007/3/27, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > >> Maybe if debian-legal or I wrote the license (I have never written a > >> license before, but maybe I could modify the MIT license) we could > >> get Teosto to agr

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Jason Spiro
2007/3/27, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > Maybe if debian-legal or I wrote the license (I have never written a > license before, but maybe I could modify the MIT license) we could > get Teosto to agree on more liberal terms than we would get if > Teos

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > Maybe if debian-legal or I wrote the license (I have never written a > license before, but maybe I could modify the MIT license) we could > get Teosto to agree on more liberal terms than we would get if > Teosto wrote one? The following is what I would use

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Jason Spiro
Hi all, hi Don; thanks for your input. 2007/3/27, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [parts snipped] There's really no point to drafting such a license, because it would not be acceptable for main, and more to the point, Teosto would have to vet it. Teosto's lawyers should really be the o

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Don Armstrong
First off, thanks to all involved for working through this; legal stuff is annoying, but getting it right early makes it all worthwhile in the end. On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > We have a question about the default songs for the guitar-simulation > game Frets On Fire. (We would like t

Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Jason Spiro
We have a question about the default songs for the guitar-simulation game Frets On Fire. (We would like to get the songs into main if possible; otherwise, into contrib or non-free. But we need to satisfy the Finnish music licensing organization Teosto. The full original thread is at http://bugs