Re: PaX on Debian

2004-07-26 Thread Andres Salomon
On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 14:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Andres Salomon wrote: > | On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:57:29 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote: > | [...] > > Did some digging. pipacs said that PAGEE

Re: PaX on Debian

2004-07-25 Thread Andres Salomon
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:57:29 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm interested in discussing the viability of PaX on Debian. I'd like > to discuss the changes to the base system that would be made, the costs > in terms of overhead and compatibi

Re: RUS-CERT Advisory 2002-08:02: Flaw in calloc and similar routines

2002-08-11 Thread Andres Salomon
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155529&repeatmerged=yes On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 09:31:00PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > > http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/286087/2002-07-30/2002-08-05/0 > > I haven't seen anything about this from Debian. They site "GNU libc > 2.2.

Re: apt-get in scripts

2002-08-03 Thread Andres Salomon
I've crontabbed `DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -q dist-upgrade`. I've not yet had any problems w/ it; debconf questions should use the default, and config files should not be overwritten. Of course, this is w/ stable; I wouldn't trust this w/ testing/unstable. On Thu, Aug 01, 2002

Re: Purpose of this list

2002-03-16 Thread Andres Salomon
debian-security-announce sounds like the list you want. On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 11:43:41PM +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance, but I was under the impression that this list is only > about official Security Announcements for Debian(DSA), and not a general > discussion on s

Re: Purpose of this list

2002-03-16 Thread Andres Salomon
debian-security-announce sounds like the list you want. On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 11:43:41PM +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance, but I was under the impression that this list is only > about official Security Announcements for Debian(DSA), and not a general > discussion on

Re: Secure 2.4.x kernel

2001-12-21 Thread Andres Salomon
Take a look at the St. Jude kernel module/model paper on sourceforge. I haven't gotten the module to do anything other than hang the box (under 2.4), but the paper itself is interesting, and along the lines of what you want. Essentially, privileged processes have certain syscalls watched (sys_exe

Re: Secure 2.4.x kernel

2001-12-21 Thread Andres Salomon
Take a look at the St. Jude kernel module/model paper on sourceforge. I haven't gotten the module to do anything other than hang the box (under 2.4), but the paper itself is interesting, and along the lines of what you want. Essentially, privileged processes have certain syscalls watched (sys_ex

Re: [off-topic?] Chrooting ssh/telnet users?

2001-10-27 Thread Andres Salomon
argh, this sounds like the sort of thing that would've been useful when i set up rsync on our company backup machine (as opposed to writing a small shell that chrooted and ran rsync). it doesn't appear to be in debian unstable; apt-cache shows no third party module for it, and it's most definitely

Re: [off-topic?] Chrooting ssh/telnet users?

2001-10-27 Thread Andres Salomon
argh, this sounds like the sort of thing that would've been useful when i set up rsync on our company backup machine (as opposed to writing a small shell that chrooted and ran rsync). it doesn't appear to be in debian unstable; apt-cache shows no third party module for it, and it's most definitel

Re: St. Jude model?

2001-09-27 Thread Andres Salomon
I looked into it a while ago; at the time, I was using 2.4, and it hadn't yet been ported (and I didn't have the time to do it). The paper certainly was interesting, though. Cylant ran a contest a while back, with a commercial product that sounded very similar to the St. Jude model (plus a few ex

Re: St. Jude model?

2001-09-26 Thread Andres Salomon
I looked into it a while ago; at the time, I was using 2.4, and it hadn't yet been ported (and I didn't have the time to do it). The paper certainly was interesting, though. Cylant ran a contest a while back, with a commercial product that sounded very similar to the St. Jude model (plus a few e

Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 076-1] New most packages available

2001-09-18 Thread Andres Salomon
efault. On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:24:05PM -0700, Micah Anderson wrote: > > Not all mutt users use vi, as a pager I use most, as an editor I use > jed. These things can be configured. > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Andres Salomon wrote: > > > Aside from the fact that

Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 076-1] New most packages available

2001-09-18 Thread Andres Salomon
to classify this as a remote exploit. On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:01:59PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: > > Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > How is this a remote exploit? > > If I know somebody uses most as a pager for mail, I can send him or > her a

Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 076-1] New most packages available

2001-09-18 Thread Andres Salomon
efault. On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:24:05PM -0700, Micah Anderson wrote: > > Not all mutt users use vi, as a pager I use most, as an editor I use > jed. These things can be configured. > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Andres Salomon wrote: > > > Aside from the fact that

Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 076-1] New most packages available

2001-09-18 Thread Andres Salomon
to classify this as a remote exploit. On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:01:59PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: > > Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > How is this a remote exploit? > > If I know somebody uses most as a pager for mail, I can send him or &g

Re: sshd attack?

2001-08-18 Thread Andres Salomon
ippl is also quite helpful. http://pltplp.net/ippl/. On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:59:27AM +0200, J?rgen Persson wrote: [...] > > > How can I find out, from where this attack is originating? Must I increase > > the verbositiy level of sshd to achieve this? > > sshd might be able to do it. I'm log

Re: sshd attack?

2001-08-18 Thread Andres Salomon
ippl is also quite helpful. http://pltplp.net/ippl/. On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:59:27AM +0200, J?rgen Persson wrote: [...] > > > How can I find out, from where this attack is originating? Must I increase > > the verbositiy level of sshd to achieve this? > > sshd might be able to do it. I'm lo

Re: shared root account

2001-07-10 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:05:18AM -0400, Jason Healy wrote: > > At 994738826s since epoch (07/10/01 02:20:26 -0400 UTC), Micah Anderson wrote: > > These both seem like excellent practices, for the clueless in all of us - > > can someone describe how this is done for sudo? How do you configure PAM

Re: shared root account

2001-07-10 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:05:18AM -0400, Jason Healy wrote: > > At 994738826s since epoch (07/10/01 02:20:26 -0400 UTC), Micah Anderson wrote: > > These both seem like excellent practices, for the clueless in all of us - > > can someone describe how this is done for sudo? How do you configure PA

Re: shared root account

2001-07-09 Thread Andres Salomon
As far as trusting their password choices, I'm not too worried about password guessing attacks; if an admin gets a password past pam_cracklib.so (without overriding it as root), I have doubts that someone's going to guess the password. Admins using the same password for multiple accounts is anothe

Re: shared root account

2001-07-09 Thread Andres Salomon
As far as trusting their password choices, I'm not too worried about password guessing attacks; if an admin gets a password past pam_cracklib.so (without overriding it as root), I have doubts that someone's going to guess the password. Admins using the same password for multiple accounts is anoth

Re: shared root account

2001-07-08 Thread Andres Salomon
This is completely off-topic at this point, but there are a few uses of sudo. The original poster trusts his admins, and wants to give them all root privs without the hassle of having them all use one account. Sudo is not enforcing anything in this case, it is merely a) allowing convenience by al

Re: shared root account

2001-07-08 Thread Andres Salomon
This is completely off-topic at this point, but there are a few uses of sudo. The original poster trusts his admins, and wants to give them all root privs without the hassle of having them all use one account. Sudo is not enforcing anything in this case, it is merely a) allowing convenience by a

Re: Got root?

2001-05-02 Thread Andres Salomon
A few quick searches on google turned up some rather interesting kernel patches... sockfs: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mbeattie/linux-kernel.html I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Very interesting, but I can't imagine having 1024 numbers/socket representations in a directory is the best way to

Re: Got root?

2001-05-01 Thread Andres Salomon
A few quick searches on google turned up some rather interesting kernel patches... sockfs: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mbeattie/linux-kernel.html I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Very interesting, but I can't imagine having 1024 numbers/socket representations in a directory is the best way to

Re: Got root?

2001-05-01 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 11:25:49AM +0100, Tim Haynes wrote: > > Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your proposition, but how is this different > > than, say, having inetd listen on ports below 1024, and then > > for

Re: Got root?

2001-05-01 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 10:11:45AM +, Adam Olsen wrote: > > On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 05:48:54AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: > > Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your proposition, but how is this different > > than, say, having inetd listen on ports below 1024, and then &g

Re: Got root?

2001-05-01 Thread Andres Salomon
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your proposition, but how is this different than, say, having inetd listen on ports below 1024, and then forking/changing to a different user once a connection is made to the port? [EMAIL PROTECTED] drive2]# echo "finger stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/bin/id" >> /etc/

Re: Got root?

2001-05-01 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 11:25:49AM +0100, Tim Haynes wrote: > > Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your proposition, but how is this different > > than, say, having inetd listen on ports below 1024, and then > >

Re: Got root?

2001-05-01 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 10:11:45AM +, Adam Olsen wrote: > > On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 05:48:54AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: > > Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your proposition, but how is this different > > than, say, having inetd listen on ports below 1024, and then &g

Re: Got root?

2001-05-01 Thread Andres Salomon
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your proposition, but how is this different than, say, having inetd listen on ports below 1024, and then forking/changing to a different user once a connection is made to the port? [root@incandescent drive2]# echo "finger stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/bin/id" >> /et

Re: empty log files

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
Ugh. Why did my apt-get dist-upgrades not mention or grab this package? Btw, now that's it's installed, it's logging correctly.. On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 02:26:31PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2255 > Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2

Re: empty log files

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
Ugh. Why did my apt-get dist-upgrades not mention or grab this package? Btw, now that's it's installed, it's logging correctly.. On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 02:26:31PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: > X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/2255 > Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent

Re: TCP windows shrinking

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
This is a fairly common error w/ 2.4.x. Actually, error is the wrong word; more like warning. The only reason you're seeing it is because TCP_DEBUG is defined. If it's annoying, you can undefine it in linux/include/net/tcp.h. On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 12:03:40PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:

Re: empty log files

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:06:26AM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: > > I've noticed the same problem on my firewall system which is running > kernel-2.4.2 and sid: > > -rw-r-1 root adm 0 Mar 25 06:48 kern.log > -rw-r-1 root adm 0 Mar 18 06:48 lpr.log >

Re: empty log files

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:55:52AM -0300, H?lio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro wrote: > > Verify if your "/etc/syslog.conf" is right: > > kern.* -/var/log/kern.log They are, in fact, tabs. Actually, the syslog.conf file is the one that came w/ debian's sysklogd package; i haven't touc

Re: TCP windows shrinking

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
This is a fairly common error w/ 2.4.x. Actually, error is the wrong word; more like warning. The only reason you're seeing it is because TCP_DEBUG is defined. If it's annoying, you can undefine it in linux/include/net/tcp.h. On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 12:03:40PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote

Re: empty log files

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:06:26AM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: > > I've noticed the same problem on my firewall system which is running > kernel-2.4.2 and sid: > > -rw-r-1 root adm 0 Mar 25 06:48 kern.log > -rw-r-1 root adm 0 Mar 18 06:48 lpr.log

Re: empty log files

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:55:52AM -0300, H?lio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro wrote: > > Verify if your "/etc/syslog.conf" is right: > > kern.* -/var/log/kern.log They are, in fact, tabs. Actually, the syslog.conf file is the one that came w/ debian's sysklogd package; i haven't tou

empty log files

2001-04-06 Thread Andres Salomon
i was playing w/ a kernel driver when i noticed the following: (machine 1) -rw-r-1 root adm 0 Mar 25 06:49 /var/log/kern.log -rw-r-1 root adm 2259 Mar 20 17:59 /var/log/kern.log.0 (machine 2) -rw-r-1 root adm 0 Mar 25 06:49 /var

empty log files

2001-04-05 Thread Andres Salomon
i was playing w/ a kernel driver when i noticed the following: (machine 1) -rw-r-1 root adm 0 Mar 25 06:49 /var/log/kern.log -rw-r-1 root adm 2259 Mar 20 17:59 /var/log/kern.log.0 (machine 2) -rw-r-1 root adm 0 Mar 25 06:49 /va

Re: ifconfig doesn't report Promiscuous interfaces

2001-03-17 Thread Andres Salomon
Check out http://members.nbci.com/dsinet/network-sniffers/interface-promiscuity-obscurity.txt The only other thing I can think of is, something (or someone) is resetting interface flags (not even sure if that's still possible, the article's from '98), or there's some subtle bug in the nic's drive

Re: Promiscuous mode (was Re: ifconfig doesn't report Promiscuous interfaces)

2001-03-16 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:27:23PM -0600, JonesMB wrote: > > >Hi, Are you sure that this machine wasn't compromised ??? > > this line made me wonder about what the correct output of ifconfig should > be. I assume that if I am not listening on the port, the PROMISC entry > should not be reporte

Re: ifconfig doesn't report Promiscuous interfaces

2001-03-16 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 09:04:47PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: > > > "marlonsj" == marlonsj writes: > marlonsj> Hi, Are you sure that this machine wasn't compromised ??? > marlonsj> > > Absolutely. > > I get the same behaviour from ifconfig on another sid machine (this one > is

Re: ifconfig doesn't report Promiscuous interfaces

2001-03-16 Thread Andres Salomon
Check out http://members.nbci.com/dsinet/network-sniffers/interface-promiscuity-obscurity.txt The only other thing I can think of is, something (or someone) is resetting interface flags (not even sure if that's still possible, the article's from '98), or there's some subtle bug in the nic's drive

Re: Promiscuous mode (was Re: ifconfig doesn't report Promiscuous interfaces)

2001-03-16 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:27:23PM -0600, JonesMB wrote: > > >Hi, Are you sure that this machine wasn't compromised ??? > > this line made me wonder about what the correct output of ifconfig should > be. I assume that if I am not listening on the port, the PROMISC entry > should not be report

Re: ifconfig doesn't report Promiscuous interfaces

2001-03-16 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 09:04:47PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: > > > "marlonsj" == marlonsj writes: > marlonsj> Hi, Are you sure that this machine wasn't compromised ??? > marlonsj> > > Absolutely. > > I get the same behaviour from ifconfig on another sid machine (this one > is

[gossi@OWNED.LAB6.COM: Sudo version 1.6.3p6 now available (fwd)]

2001-02-23 Thread Andres Salomon
This rather disturbs me, since I depend on sudo far too much.. - Forwarded message from Gossi The Dog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Approved-By: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001

[gossi@OWNED.LAB6.COM: Sudo version 1.6.3p6 now available (fwd)]

2001-02-23 Thread Andres Salomon
This rather disturbs me, since I depend on sudo far too much.. - Forwarded message from Gossi The Dog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Approved-By: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:53:

Re: 'export RESOLV_HOST_CONF= any file you want' local vulnerability

2001-01-08 Thread Andres Salomon
Ooops. Mandrake cooker, and Debian unstable. In other words: glibc2.2 systems. glibc 2.1's resolver (/lib/libnss_db.so.2) appears unaffected. This is why some of you aren't seeing it. ii libc6 2.2-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone

Re: 'export RESOLV_HOST_CONF= any file you want' local vulnerability

2001-01-08 Thread Andres Salomon
try it w/ traceroute. lotsa fun, and it works on mandrake, too. things like this make me glad i don't have to deal w/ untrusted customers that have shell access... ii traceroute 1.4a8-1Traces the route taken by packets over a TCP On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 11:13:49AM -0700, Kevin wr

Re: 'export RESOLV_HOST_CONF= any file you want' local vulnerability

2001-01-08 Thread Andres Salomon
Ooops. Mandrake cooker, and Debian unstable. In other words: glibc2.2 systems. glibc 2.1's resolver (/lib/libnss_db.so.2) appears unaffected. This is why some of you aren't seeing it. ii libc6 2.2-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: 'export RESOLV_HOST_CONF= any file you want' local vulnerability

2001-01-08 Thread Andres Salomon
try it w/ traceroute. lotsa fun, and it works on mandrake, too. things like this make me glad i don't have to deal w/ untrusted customers that have shell access... ii traceroute 1.4a8-1Traces the route taken by packets over a TCP On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 11:13:49AM -0700, Kevin w

Re: time for some OpenBSD-style auditing?

2000-12-28 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 04:46:00PM -0800, Joe Buck wrote: > > Notice that security holes fall into classes? One category of hole > should be easy to eliminate from Debian by instituting a code auditing > requirement. I'm referring to insecure creation of temporary files, > allowing for symlink a

Re: time for some OpenBSD-style auditing?

2000-12-28 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 04:46:00PM -0800, Joe Buck wrote: > > Notice that security holes fall into classes? One category of hole > should be easy to eliminate from Debian by instituting a code auditing > requirement. I'm referring to insecure creation of temporary files, > allowing for symlink

Re: OS Hardening

2000-12-13 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:23:12AM -0800, Alex Swavely wrote: > > I think the point here is that the user WILL NOT read such documentation 90% > of the time, regardless (which is why the RTFM Coffee Mug over at thinkgeek > is so popular). > this is exactly why i think something like this would b

Re: OS Hardening

2000-12-13 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:23:12AM -0800, Alex Swavely wrote: > > I think the point here is that the user WILL NOT read such documentation 90% > of the time, regardless (which is why the RTFM Coffee Mug over at thinkgeek > is so popular). > this is exactly why i think something like this would

Re: OS Hardening

2000-12-12 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 08:41:30PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: > > >>>>> "AS" == Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > AS> Oh, I totally agree; this would have to be on a per-package > AS> basis, however. Hence, it would rely o

Re: OS Hardening

2000-12-12 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 07:27:32PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: > > >>>>> "AS" == Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > AS> > AS> The HOWTO, on the other hand, falls under the category of > AS> know-what-you're-doing-

Re: OS Hardening

2000-12-12 Thread Andres Salomon
I believe he was talking about a hardening script, which would imply some sort of automated script that removes setuid bits, permissions, etc, throughout the filesystem. To this end, I agree with Wichert; it's not needed in debian. Very few binaries are setuid root, and permissions are generally

Re: OS Hardening

2000-12-12 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 08:41:30PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: > > >>>>> "AS" == Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > AS> Oh, I totally agree; this would have to be on a per-package > AS> basis, however. Hence, it would rely o

Re: OS Hardening

2000-12-12 Thread Andres Salomon
On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 07:27:32PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote: > > >>>>> "AS" == Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > AS> > AS> The HOWTO, on the other hand, falls under the category of > AS> know-what-you're-do

Re: OS Hardening

2000-12-12 Thread Andres Salomon
I believe he was talking about a hardening script, which would imply some sort of automated script that removes setuid bits, permissions, etc, throughout the filesystem. To this end, I agree with Wichert; it's not needed in debian. Very few binaries are setuid root, and permissions are generally

Re: vixie cron... (fwd)

2000-11-17 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:46:19AM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 12:36:54PM +, thomas lakofski wrote: > > fyi -- i've not tried it. > > i have, it does not work, i tried several different variations and > failed to create any files in /var/spool/cron. > > i do not belie

Re: vixie cron... (fwd)

2000-11-17 Thread Andres Salomon
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:46:19AM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 12:36:54PM +, thomas lakofski wrote: > > fyi -- i've not tried it. > > i have, it does not work, i tried several different variations and > failed to create any files in /var/spool/cron. > > i do not beli