Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > We probably need to attack this trend more aggressively, like putting > expiration dates into the installer after which it'll just refuse to > install Honestly, that's just a great way to turn more people off. There are plenty of valid re

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Alex Hudson
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:49 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:47 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote: > > I think it would be much better for Fedora to decide what it *should* be, > > specifically what the Fedora userspace should be, and excel at that. > > Don't follow the "market" or worry

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 09:18 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Just to be clear. When "users" want a to get a new font what is the > ideal software interaction path you expect them to take to find fonts? > It's not clear that app-install is what you expect them to interact > with. I do sort of expect no

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 22:21 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le mercredi 08 septembre 2010 à 19:07 +0100, Alex Hudson a écrit : > > The i18n situation is also pretty sad from my point of view too. If you > > use pretty much any design app, OO Writer and Inkscape being the ones >

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 11:03 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > I'm interested in font installing, but I think it might be better to > integrate this with app-install rather than packagekit, as app-install > has a pointer to a screenshot URL we can show in the preview window. I'm not sure why this shou

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 14:28 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 09/09/2010 01:24 PM, Alex Hudson wrote: > > A screenshot is marginally useful, but how do you give a good idea of > > how the font works in different weights, sizes, and with different text > > (particularly those fo

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 13:49 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 12:24, Alex Hudson a écrit : > > What you really want is a font store which has functionality like this: > > > > http://code.google.com/webfonts/preview#font-family=Cantarell > >

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 15:05 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 14:29, Alex Hudson a écrit : > > .TTF fonts (as an example) just aren't very big. I tried a sample font > > in my .fonts directory, it's 75K and five lines of varied "The quick > &

Pino & twitter

2010-09-10 Thread Alex Hudson
As subject: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=629192 I read through my archive and all I can see is a short discussion proposing changing to gwibber. Is anyone actively trying to get an exception for pino a la gwibber? Or should someone be taking up this cudgel? Ta Alex. -

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Alex Hudson
Hey Kevin, On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more > clear? Are there places that it could be more like the existing package > update howto page? Could we be more detailed about what bodhi enforces > and whats jus

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:35 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Alex Hudson wrote: > > I think there's one thing missing: some discussion about the guiding > > principles about where these rules came from. > > Well, there is the Boards vision that this came out of: > >

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-23 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 03:42 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > I think Kevin's proposal is written fairly with the given information. > Still, I believe that the stable update guide needs to be relaxed for > software that doesn't affect anything other than itself. There are > single library packages tha

nouveau & gnome-shell (was: Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland)

2010-11-07 Thread Alex Hudson
On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 16:00 +, Camilo Mesias wrote: > You mention gnome shell but not nouveau, how do you enable the missing > 3d support for Nouveau? There's an Mesa package labelled "experimental" you need to install. I don't know what the subset of hardware it works for is, but my Quadro N

Re: Urgent: today's F14 catastrophe with openldap-servers update

2010-11-23 Thread Alex Hudson
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 17:09 +0100, Jan Vcelak wrote: > This is the problem: The database migration could take a really long time. I > have testing data with 56 entries (nodes) - exporting (slapcat) is quite > fast, > but importing (slapadd) takes around 10 seconds. > > Imagine you have a large

Re: Broken dependencies: pino

2011-09-08 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 16:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/08/2011 04:43 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > Given that several changes are needed, it's probably best for one of > > the Pino maintainers to make the update (I'd not feel comfortable > > doing anything more than just adjusting

Development to release quality (was: Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check?)

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Hudson
(I'm really glad this topic has come up - I think it's critically important) On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 00:19 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > > Maybe there needs to be a classification for rawhide similar to the > > karma system for updates-testing, but limited to just a set o

Re: Development to release quality

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 12:01 +0200, Matej Cepl wrote: > Dne 12.9.2011 11:26, Alex Hudson napsal(a): > > I view this as entirely equivalent to having a rule about not breaking > > trunk in version control: I don't know anyone who seriously argues that > > breaking a proje

Re: Development to release quality (was: Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check?)

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 13:43 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > If something fails to COMPILE, this actually hinders development. In fact, > I'm one of the first ones to yell if package builds in Rawhide are broken > (due to some dependency breakage or whatever). Something failing to RUN is a > wholely

[Guidelines] MUST: use ExcludeArch over ExclusiveArch

2010-12-10 Thread Alex Hudson
Hi everyone, I have a small issue with the review of the v8 package that I'm currently looking at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634909#c18 The short story is this; the packaging guidelines state that for every architecture a package doesn't build on, the .spec should list

Re: Orphaning some packages

2011-03-13 Thread Alex Hudson
On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 11:04 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote: > I'm orphaning the following packages: > > * json-glib I'm not sure if this would be better maintained alongside glib, but I use this library and would happily [co]maintain it. Thanks Alex. -- This message was scanned by Better Hos

Re: manually fixing IPs

2011-03-26 Thread Alex Hudson
On Sat, 2011-03-26 at 07:05 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > So, back in the good old days, one could just type this: > Just to try to get the interface left alone. Isn't "the way" just to put NM_CONTROLLED=no in the relevant interface config file? Even if you're not statically configuring an actu

Status of pino in F15

2011-04-08 Thread Alex Hudson
Hi all, I apologise if this sounds like a bit of an extended whinge; it's not meant to but I'm not sure how better to raise these issues. I've spent a half-hour this morning going through various bits of pino and raising appropriate bugs, as I'm now using F15 as my full-time system (and I'm a hea

Re: Status of pino in F15

2011-04-08 Thread Alex Hudson
Adam, On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 08:58 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 08:58 +0100, Alex Hudson wrote: > > I apologise for bringing this up so late in the beta cycle - I'm sure > > the beta is spinning as I type - but I honestly don't think it can ship &

Re: Beware: Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

2010-01-28 Thread Alex Hudson
I don't usually throw in my 2p on subjective issues like this, but... On 28/01/10 13:17, Steve Dickson wrote: > Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to > the community has been tested and will not be disruptive > or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simpl

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 09:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of > the channel? My expectation is something that basically works. Like others have said, I expect occasional breakage, but my "rawhide criterion" is "latest version

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-03 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 02:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > But if you want to see the kind of change to FESCo I'd like to see, > it'll take a faction of at least 5 people to make it happen. Surely this is the point: if there are not sufficient candidates with a particular point of view, that's hardl

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-03 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 19:34 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Alex Hudson wrote: > > I think it's a bit disingenuous to talk about prevailing opinion of the > > mailing list otherwise; to me a lot of the discussion looks an awful lot > > like a vocal minority > > I thi

Re: JBoss stalled (was Re: status of some packages ??)

2010-06-03 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:29 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On 06/03/2010 11:54 AM, Iain Arnell wrote: > > And slightly weird that it's okay for Red Hat to distribute it > > themselves, both commercially and as open source from jboss.org, but > > it's questionable for Fedora. > > I can't speak

Re: JBoss stalled (was Re: status of some packages ??)

2010-06-03 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 15:09 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > The argument that "everyone else is doing it, so it must be fine" is > also completely false. As my mother eloquently put it to me at age 6, > "If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you?". That's not the argument I'm putting forward.

Re: JBoss stalled (was Re: status of some packages ??)

2010-06-05 Thread Alex Hudson
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 16:10 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > Matěj, as I'm sure you know, we could find a lawyer who would tell us > just about anything we wanted to hear. I consulted with Red Hat Legal, > and the conclusion that we came to was that it was not possible for the > copyright holder