Re: Issue while upgrading firmware

2007-12-20 Thread Richard A. Smith
Mitch Bradley wrote: > It is pretty unlikely that the battery would die during the reflashing > process, which completes in a few seconds. But there have been cases > where people paniced and removed the battery right in the middle of > reflashing. During one of the many NiMh EC bugs sprees.

zRe: New joyride build 1452

2007-12-20 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
On 12/20/07 14:56, Marcus Leech wrote: > While I'm sympathetic to removing "bulk", I'm someone who developed his > first networking stack at the age of 16 or 17 around 1980. I think we > shouldn't rush too hastily in making assumptions about what 12-year-old > budding software genii will actuall

Re: Laptop debug

2007-12-20 Thread Richard A. Smith
John Watlington wrote: > The debug adapters cost us around $100 to make, due to the small > quantity built. We treasure them dearly, as we sometime need 50 or > more in a testbed! With the NRE they were $49/per. A future order of Qty 200 would be $38/per. If we dropped the extra ttl<->rs-232

Re: Status of SVG rendering on the XO

2007-12-20 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Dec 20, 2007, at 21:06 , Jake B wrote: > Hello All, > I am expecting to get my XO laptop in the mail any day now. I was > hoping someone could tell me, does the XO ship with with an SVG > renderer? I'm wondering if it would be possible to develop rich > apps in SVG and ECMAscript for depl

Re: DCON improvements...

2007-12-20 Thread Albert Cahalan
David Woodhouse writes: > If we should design a next generation of DCON chip, are there any > improvements we should make to it? Sure. Bugs #1017 and #1671 could be dealt with. There are some really nasty color artifacts on the display. One must never do any sort of blending operation on non-lin

Re: sudo, not su.

2007-12-20 Thread Albert Cahalan
Various people write: > yes, having a root password is generaly bad, as it is what > most attackers will try first. With "olpc" being a well-known account, this security-by-obscurity doesn't gain you anything. > Yes, I think logging in directly as root is a misfeature that should > go away. Mos

New update.1 build 666

2007-12-20 Thread Build Announcer Script
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build666/ -Journal-79.xo +Journal-82.xo -Web-79.xo +Web-80.xo -olpc-utils.i386 0:0.48.2-1.olpc2 +olpc-utils.i386 0:0.59-1.olpc2 -rainbow.noarch 0:0.7.4-1.olpc2 +rainbow.noarch 0:0.7.5-1.olpc2 -sugar.i386 0:0.75.4-1 +sugar.i386 0:0.75.5-1 --

Re: Laptop Debug

2007-12-20 Thread Mitch Bradley
This little module that Tom recommends is just perfect. Tom Sylla wrote: > (sorry for the broken threading) > > Building on Mitch's mail: > > A good option would be to just buy one of these: > http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/TTL-232R-3V3.htm > > for $20: > http://www.mouser.com/sea

Laptop Debug

2007-12-20 Thread Tom Sylla
(sorry for the broken threading) Building on Mitch's mail: A good option would be to just buy one of these: http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/TTL-232R-3V3.htm for $20: http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=TTL-232R-3V3virtualkey6262virtualkey626-DLP-TTL-232R-3V3 an

Re: Laptop debug

2007-12-20 Thread Mitch Bradley
To add additional detail to the technique outlined below: Here is a Digi-Key part number for an easy-to-use USB-to-serial chip: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=604-00043-ND http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=604-00043-ND Here is the

OLPC Game Jam -Nepal

2007-12-20 Thread sulochan acharya
The fist OLPC game jam in Nepal was successfully held on Dec 15th 2007, at Prime College in Kathmandu. The purpose of the game jam was mainly to familiarize students, teachers and enthusiasts with squeak, its history, and how it is used to develop various applications--such as the activities devel

Re: Laptop debug

2007-12-20 Thread Mitch Bradley
As an alternative to wiring up a voltage converter chip, you can instead go directly to USB with a USB-to-serial chip such as a PL2303. The "traditional" arrangement is: USB-to-serial dongle -> DB9 -> serial cable -> DB9 -> 12V-to-3.3V-voltage-translator But inside the USB-to-serial dongle

Re: Laptop debug

2007-12-20 Thread John Watlington
No. You can use a standard USB/RS-232 serial converter, but you will also need a voltage translator (such as a Maxim MAX3233 --- you used to be able to get free samples from Maxim) and a male and female connector to connect to the board. I'll dig up the connector spec (Digikey carries them) and

New joyride build 1457

2007-12-20 Thread Build Announcer Script
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1457/ -util-linux.i386 0:2.13-0.54.1.fc7 +util-linux-ng.i386 0:2.13.1-0.2.olpc2 -- This email was automatically generated Aggregated logs at http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html ___ D

Re: Issue while upgrading firmware

2007-12-20 Thread Hal Murray
> I have ran into a problem, though. During the OFW "ok" prompt, I type > "flash u:\q2d07.rom", the systems reads the new firmware, but then > gives me the following message: "AC not present" and stops. What am I > missing here? What is AC exactly? "AC" means external wall power, normally fro

Re: Issue while upgrading firmware

2007-12-20 Thread Mitch Bradley
Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote: > On 12/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Alternating Current -- you really want to be plugged into a wall to >> upgrade firmware. >> > > Ha ha, I can't believe the "AC" meant that! And here I was thinking > it was some kind of checksum.

Re: Issue while upgrading firmware

2007-12-20 Thread Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves
On 12/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alternating Current -- you really want to be plugged into a wall to > upgrade firmware. Ha ha, I can't believe the "AC" meant that! And here I was thinking it was some kind of checksum. Sometimes we try the dangest solutions for the sim

Re: Issue while upgrading firmware

2007-12-20 Thread elw
> I have ran into a problem, though. During the OFW "ok" prompt, I type > "flash u:\q2d07.rom", the systems reads the new firmware, but then gives > me the following message: "AC not present" and stops. What am I missing > here? What is AC exactly? Alternating Current -- you really want to

Issue while upgrading firmware

2007-12-20 Thread Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves
Because during my last auto-upgrade (from Build 635 to 653), the firmware was not upgraded in the process, I am trying now to do it manually. I have ran into a problem, though. During the OFW "ok" prompt, I type "flash u:\q2d07.rom", the systems reads the new firmware, but then gives me the follo

Re: Status of SVG rendering on the XO

2007-12-20 Thread Jake B
Just to make sure I understand, do you still have problems even after using the functions built into SVG for translating from screen coordinates to user coordinates? http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/coords.html#NestedTransformations http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/types.html Using getScreenCTM and such methods?

Re: DCON improvements...

2007-12-20 Thread Jim Gettys
Thanks for a great explanation. - Jim On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 13:26 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 13:22 -0500, David Woodhouse wrote: > > If we should design a next generation of DCON chip, are there any > > improvements we should make to it? > > > > Adam,

Re: Status of SVG rendering on the XO

2007-12-20 Thread Eben Eliason
On Dec 20, 2007 3:31 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 20, 2007 9:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've seen some examples of this working, though none of them complex > > enough to really test performance. The core problem when I used it was > > that th

Re: Status of SVG rendering on the XO

2007-12-20 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Dec 20, 2007 9:31 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 20, 2007 9:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've seen some examples of this working, though none of them complex > > enough to really test performance. The core problem when I used it was > > that th

Re: Status of SVG rendering on the XO

2007-12-20 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Dec 20, 2007 9:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've seen some examples of this working, though none of them complex > enough to really test performance. The core problem when I used it was > that the coordinate system for the mouse events didn't map correctly > to the display, d

Re: Status of SVG rendering on the XO

2007-12-20 Thread Eben Eliason
I've seen some examples of this working, though none of them complex enough to really test performance. The core problem when I used it was that the coordinate system for the mouse events didn't map correctly to the display, due to the browsers scaling algorithm. I'm not sure in what timeframe tha

Re: Status of SVG rendering on the XO

2007-12-20 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
We ship xulrunner on the builds, I'm not sure what kind of performance we get out of SVG right now, though. Marco On Dec 20, 2007 9:06 PM, Jake B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All, > I am expecting to get my XO laptop in the mail any day now. I was hoping > someone could tell me, does the X

Status of SVG rendering on the XO

2007-12-20 Thread Jake B
Hello All, I am expecting to get my XO laptop in the mail any day now. I was hoping someone could tell me, does the XO ship with with an SVG renderer? I'm wondering if it would be possible to develop rich apps in SVG and ECMAscript for deployment on the XO. I remember that there used to be an entry

Re: New joyride build 1452

2007-12-20 Thread C. Scott Ananian
> Bernardo Innocenti wrote: > > I also disapprove adding bulky packages to our builds just for sake of > > debugging. In this case, this is said to be only temporary until we > > have shaken the most serious networking problems. As I've said before: normally you can say, "just download the debugg

Re: New joyride build 1452

2007-12-20 Thread Marcus Leech
Bernardo Innocenti wrote: > :-) > > I also disapprove adding bulky packages to our builds just for sake of > debugging. In this case, this is said to be only temporary until we > have shaken the most serious networking problems. > > There is still plenty of opportunity for debloating our images, a

Re: Laptop debug

2007-12-20 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
I guess you can try with an standard serial/usb adapter ..and play along. :). On Dec 20, 2007 12:50 PM, Gerard J. Cerchio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rafael, I saw that page, you mean if I want one I build it from the > PDF's?? > > Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 20, 200

Browse in GS

2007-12-20 Thread Rob Logan
Got my GOGO yesterday. The pdf viewer does an outstanding job imaging http://rob.com/airports/afd/nc_212_25OCT2007.pdf but if I pre-process and pre-size it into 8 grays in a fixed colormap via gs | pnmcut | ppmquant -map 8gray | pnmtopng http://rob.com/airports/afd/nc_212_25OCT2007.png or the lar

Re: [sugar] Hippo Canvas

2007-12-20 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Dec 20, 2007 7:16 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its planned adopt goocanvas or another canvas? I want to stick with upstream here (gtk). The main reason gtk doesn't ship a canvas is that there are not really good candidates. (goocanvas is basically unmaintained, for example).

Re: Hippo Canvas

2007-12-20 Thread Gerard J. Cerchio
Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Gerard J. Cerchio wrote: > >> Sorry to say that I am having a terrifically hard time trying to use the >> hippo canvas. >> > > hippocanvas is sort of deprecated. Initially, hippocanvas was to be the basic >

Re: Hippo Canvas

2007-12-20 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerard J. Cerchio wrote: > Sorry to say that I am having a terrifically hard time trying to use the > hippo canvas. hippocanvas is sort of deprecated. Initially, hippocanvas was to be the basic building block for all Activities, but it proved too im

Re: Laptop debug

2007-12-20 Thread Gerard J. Cerchio
Rafael, I saw that page, you mean if I want one I build it from the PDF's?? Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > > > On Dec 20, 2007 12:16 PM, Gerard J. Cerchio <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Hi All, > > Do the XO's ship with the serial/USB debug adapter? >

Hippo Canvas

2007-12-20 Thread Gerard J. Cerchio
Sorry to say that I am having a terrifically hard time trying to use the hippo canvas. I cannot find any documentation in the source code package. The REAMDE is blank. The NEWS is blank. It appears that all comments are stripped out of the source code. There are no references to any previous

Laptop debug

2007-12-20 Thread Gerard J. Cerchio
Hi All, Do the XO's ship with the serial/USB debug adapter? If not, how do I get one? -Gerard ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Tickets triaging

2007-12-20 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Dec 19, 2007 9:50 AM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 11:57 +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > > My understanding is that developers and testers can propose tickets > > using the Update.1? keyword but it's up to Jim and Kim to actually > > triage the ticket to a c

Kernel build instructions

2007-12-20 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Andres, these two pages look very similar: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Kernel http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rebuilding_OLPC_kernel So I tagged them for merging. Or maybe they should just be split in multiple thematic pages: installing the kernel RPM, rebuilding the kernel RPM, rebuilding from sou

Re: New joyride build 1452

2007-12-20 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Build Announcer Script wrote: > >> http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1452/ >> >> -Chat-31.xo >> +Chat-32.xo >> +libpcap.i386 14:0.9.7-1.fc7 >> -olpc-utils.i386 0:0.53-1.olpc2 >> +olpc-utils.i386 0:0.59-1.olpc2 >> +sudo.i386 0:

Re: Tickets triaging

2007-12-20 Thread Jim Gettys
On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 11:57 +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Hello, > > there is some disagreement in trac about how bugs triaging should > work. See for example: > > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5538#comment:5 > > My understanding is that developers and testers can propose tickets > using

New joyride build 1453

2007-12-20 Thread Build Announcer Script
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1453/ -rainbow.noarch 0:0.7.4-1.olpc2 +rainbow.noarch 0:0.7.5-1.olpc2 -- This email was automatically generated Aggregated logs at http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html ___ Devel maili

Re: New joyride build 1452

2007-12-20 Thread Morgan Collett
> > --- Chat-32 --- > > * Pippy-ize Chat, so that 'view source' lets you edit and regenerate > >the Chat activity in Pippy. > > > Uh, where did this come from? It's not in git... Please send me a patch. > Is this a post Update.1 feature? > Ah, found it - #5542

Re: New joyride build 1452

2007-12-20 Thread Morgan Collett
On Dec 20, 2007 5:15 AM, Build Announcer Script <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1452/ > > -Chat-31.xo > +Chat-32.xo > --- Chat-32 --- > * Pippy-ize Chat, so that 'view s