Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-26 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/26/2014 10:57 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: > Yup, but remember there are two possible explanations why: Neither of which are at all relevant. All Netflix traffic is encrypted but this did not prevent Comcast from intentionally degrading Netflix traffic throughput. All Netflix traffic is

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Ronan > > Slashdot discussion re: Verizon Fios customer's experience: > "However, his Netflix video streams were limping along at just > 375kbps (0.375mbps), equivalent to 0

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-26 Thread Stephen Ronan
Slashdot discussion re: Verizon Fios customer's experience: "However, his Netflix video streams were limping along at just 375kbps (0.375mbps), equivalent to 0.5 percent of the speed he's paying for. On a hunch, he decided to connect to a VPN service, which in theory should actually make thing

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-24 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Tom Metro wrote: > Bill Bogstad wrote: >> VZ for land lines (and even FIOS) is at least somewhat a regulated >> monopoly. ...you could get the appropriate state regulatory agency >> involved on your side. > > My understanding is that once you get rid of your copper

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Metro
Bill Bogstad wrote: > VZ for land lines (and even FIOS) is at least somewhat a regulated > monopoly. ...you could get the appropriate state regulatory agency > involved on your side. My understanding is that once you get rid of your copper phone lines, the state regulatory agency is out of the pi

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-24 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:25:40AM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: > > VZ for land lines (and even FIOS) is at least somewhat a regulated > monopoly. As such, they might be legally required to provide service > (as long as you don't legally owe them money). The nice thing about > this is that there

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-24 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: >> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- >> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson >> >> If they broke the contract, take then to small claims court. > > That was 2-3 years ago, they

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson > > If they broke the contract, take then to small claims court. That was 2-3 years ago, they technically didn't break the contract because they WROTE the contract

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-24 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 02:25:06AM +, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: > > From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Conner > > > > When we, the consumers band together and demand that our isp's not slow > > down o

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Conner > > When we, the consumers band together and demand that our isp's not slow > down our, the customer's, net activity and/or change isp's and say why > we're leaving. T

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-23 Thread Gregory Boyce
gt; > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies > > (Edward Ned Harvey (blu)) > >2. Re: Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies > > (Bill Horne) > > > > > > --

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-23 Thread Joe Polcari
No. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Conner Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:59 PM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality When we, the consumers

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality

2014-07-23 Thread Stuart Conner
(Edward Ned Harvey (blu)) >2. Re: Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISPmonopolies > (Bill Horne) > > > ------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:10:17 + > From: "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" > To: &qu

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-22 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
Could be worse. In my neighborhood the reasonable choices are Comcast, Comcast, and Comcast. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: >> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- >> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Tom Metro >> >> The r

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Tom Metro > > The real answer is that you should cease doing business with an ISP that > fails to upgrade its peering points to meet demand. Only with a > sufficient quantity of use

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey > (blu) > > It's the same content, being delivered over the > same network, only it's encrypted and hidden from FiOS's routers. There's > no other explanation, si

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-22 Thread Tom Metro
Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: > Recently I noticed, that all our video streams...Buffering every 1-15 > minutes... > > So I got to thinking, could encryption be used to circumvent greedy > ISP's systematically? No. Bill Bogstad covered most of this, but I recommend doing a bit of reading on the

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-22 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: >... > So I got to thinking, could encryption be used to circumvent greedy ISP's > systematically? If everything were encrypted and unidentifiable, then the > only thing they could do would be to throttle *all* the traffic, not jus

Re: [Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-22 Thread Bill Horne
On 7/22/2014 9:10 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: Recently I noticed, that all our video streams get interrupted annoyingly frequently. Buffering every 1-15 minutes, it's infuriating. Sometimes I can dumb down the connection, switching to CC instead of HD. Sometimes it helps. Not always

[Discuss] Https - the solution to net neutrality and ISP monopolies

2014-07-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
Every night when I put my daughter to bed, I read her a book, or we play flashlight shadow puppets, or we watch videos such as The Duck Song, or Blackbeard, Bluebeard, Redbeard. We watch netflix, youtube, etc. Recently I noticed, that all our video streams get interrupted annoyingly frequently