Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

2022-01-13 Thread Steven Feldman via Discuss
I have been on conference committee for almost a decade, I can’t recall us ever having more than 4 proposals for the global FOSS4G. Each year there are different factors that influence our choices, I don’t recall a year when there was much doubt about who we should select. A predetermined markin

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

2022-01-13 Thread Jeroen Ticheler via Discuss
My philosophy is and hopefully will always be that we have trust in the committee members that do the voting. They all put in their time and more importantly their heart. Whatever method you come up with, bias and personal preferences come into play. I trust in the people/members + the guideline

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

2022-01-13 Thread María Arias de Reyna via Discuss
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:13 PM Jonathan Moules via Discuss wrote: > I don't think there's any need to reinvent the wheel here; a number of > open-source initiatives seem to use scoring for evaluating proposals. Chances > are something from one of them can be borrowed. > > Apache use it for scor

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

2022-01-13 Thread Kobben, Barend (UT-ITC) via Discuss
Quoting " To work around this, with public sector contracts in the western world you have a list of requirements and then all the bids are scored against those requirements. The one with the highest score wins the contract. *That* is transparent. " Really...? And cognitive bias suddenly does no

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

2022-01-13 Thread Jonathan Moules via Discuss
> And cognitive bias suddenly does not play a role anymore when you score a good friend vs a hated enemy against a "list of requirements"? It might look transparent but is not the tiniest bit more fair. Sure the biases will still be there, but the justification for the score is written do

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

2022-01-13 Thread Jonathan Moules via Discuss
Excellent question Bruce! I don't think there's any need to reinvent the wheel here; a number of open-source initiatives seem to use scoring for evaluating proposals. Chances are something from one of them can be borrowed. Apache use it for scoring mentee proposals for GSOC: https://communi

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

2022-01-13 Thread Bruce Bannerman via Discuss
Jonathan, Do you have a suggestion as to how the process can be improved? Kind regards, Bruce Disclosure: I was a member of the LOC for FOSS4G-2009. I personally don’t have a problem with the process as is, but it may be possible to improve things. That is, provided that we don’t make the jo

[OSGeo-Discuss] Conference selection transparency (Was Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023)

2022-01-13 Thread Jonathan Moules via Discuss
> Anyone can ask questions to the candidates. Yes, they can (and yes, I have asked questions), but here's the thing: The only people who actually matter are the people who vote. And we have no idea what they vote (for the valid reason stated) or what their criteria are for their vote (which is

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2023

2022-01-13 Thread Vasile Craciunescu via Discuss
Hi Jonathan, I fully agree with Maria. I find your accusation very serious and I would like to ask you to provide more information to support this. Maria's answer described very well how the evaluation process goes. Please let us know what we can do to improve the transparency. Warm regards,