Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base

2014-11-05 Thread Terry Zink
> If all your customers add your SPF to theirs, then if they forge each other's > mail, it'll pass DMARC. I don't think you're fixing it at all, at least not > as > described. For hosted customers, they cannot forge each others' email. So that part is fine. For on-premise customers (whose mai

Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base

2014-11-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, November 05, 2014 06:35:32 PM Terry Zink wrote: > > Since SPF authorizes an often _shared_ outbound IP address, it has been > > accurately described as an authorization method. DMaRC permits a DKIM > > signature to be spoofed and still allow a message to be accepted solely > > on the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base

2014-11-05 Thread Terry Zink
> Does the base draft's use of the term "authentication" mislead you or your > customers > in any way? No, everything is clear enough. I use the term to refer to passing either SPF or DKIM. As an aside, I should have mentioned that we are working on DMARC but it is not yet complete. But the way

Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base

2014-11-05 Thread Douglas Otis
On Nov 5, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Terry Zink wrote: >> Since SPF authorizes an often _shared_ outbound IP address, it has been >> accurately described >> as an authorization method. DMaRC permits a DKIM signature to be spoofed >> and still allow >> a message to be accepted solely on the basis of

Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base

2014-11-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Terry Zink wrote: > > Since SPF authorizes an often _shared_ outbound IP address, it has been > accurately described > > as an authorization method. DMaRC permits a DKIM signature to be > spoofed and still allow > > a message to be accepted solely on the basis of

Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base

2014-11-05 Thread Terry Zink
> Since SPF authorizes an often _shared_ outbound IP address, it has been > accurately described > as an authorization method. DMaRC permits a DKIM signature to be spoofed and > still allow > a message to be accepted solely on the basis of SPF. What magic turns > authorization into > authen

Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base

2014-11-05 Thread Douglas Otis
On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Douglas Otis writes: > >> After all, DMARC permits the weakest authorization as a basis for >> acceptance, so it would be misleading to describe DMARC results as >> having been *authenticated*. > > Well, no, it isn't necessarily misleadi