Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > As I read 5.3, it says you need to make sure what you sign is what > the verifier will receive. It seems to me a signer that gets 8-bit > header fields can RFC2047-ize them before signing, presuming the > MTA will make the same conversion before putting the signe

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > OK, but is it folly to consider a header canonicalization that can > > handle this? DKIM is designed to accommodate incremental > > improvements, after all. > > Sec. 5.3 isn't, though. :-( > As I read 5.3, it says you need to ma

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: > > AFAICS use of the SMTPUTF8 extension is incompatible with DKIM > > signatures. See sec. 5.3 of RFC 6376. > > > > > Do you have a suggestion in mind? > > > > Conform to RFC 6376. > > OK, bu

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" > So, maybe a header canonicalization that has as one of its steps conversion > of all Subject fields to something RFC2047-compatible? > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:39 PM, John Bucy < jb...@google.com > wrote: > > The scenario I had in m

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
So, maybe a header canonicalization that has as one of its steps conversion of all Subject fields to something RFC2047-compatible? On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:39 PM, John Bucy wrote: > The scenario I had in mind was: > - B advertises SMTPUTF8 but relays to C which does not > - A sends a message to

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > An mta could opt to send a message with unencoded utf8 headers (display > > > name, subject, etc) to another peer advertising SMTPUTF8 even if none > of > > > the envelope were internationalized addresses. If the recipient then >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" > Cc: dmarc@ietf.org, "John Bucy" > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:17:47 AM > Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around > gateway-transfo

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:25 PM, John Bucy wrote: > > An mta could opt to send a message with unencoded utf8 headers (display > > name, subject, etc) to another peer advertising SMTPUTF8 even if none of > > the envelope were internationalized addresses. If the re

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-23 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:25 PM, John Bucy wrote: > Based on a quick glance, it doesn't look like > draft-kucherawy-dkim-list-canon-00 addresses encoded headers like rfc2047. > An mta could opt to send a message with unencoded utf8 headers (display > name, subject, etc) to another peer advertisin

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-23 Thread John Bucy
Based on a quick glance, it doesn't look like draft-kucherawy-dkim-list-canon-00 addresses encoded headers like rfc2047. An mta could opt to send a message with unencoded utf8 headers (display name, subject, etc) to another peer advertising SMTPUTF8 even if none of the envelope were internationaliz

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-20 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Not yet. I don't think there are any implementations. We were just banging the idea around. I'm looking at doing one soon for OpenDKIM as an experimental add-on. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:25 AM, John Bucy wrote: > Hadn't seen that ID, cool! Is there any test data available? > > > > cheers > j

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-20 Thread John Bucy
Hadn't seen that ID, cool! Is there any test data available? cheers john On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > There was one proposed: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dkim-list-canon-00 > > This working group will be discussing this and other options be

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-19 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
There was one proposed: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dkim-list-canon-00 This working group will be discussing this and other options before long. -MSK On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:45 PM, John Bucy wrote: > I was glad to see mention of content-transfer-encoding issues > in draft-i

[dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-19 Thread John Bucy
I was glad to see mention of content-transfer-encoding issues in draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability since gateway-transformation breaks dkim signatures. Is there any interest in trying to develop a mime-aware canonicalization for dkim? cheers john ___ d