Re: change scores

2001-01-24 Thread Elliot Cramer
Dale Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : Dear Colleagues, : A student is evaluating a summer program for junior high students. One of : the goals was to raise 'self esteem.' Measures were taken before the there is no good answer. You might look at "problems in measuring change" edited by ches

Re: change scores (and more on regression to the mean)

2001-01-24 Thread Will Hopkins
My response is about regression to the mean generally, which got done over a little over a week ago. It occurred to me recently that you could reduce the regression-to-the-mean effect by using the subjects' least-squares means to divide them (the subjects) up into quantiles for separate analy

Re: change scores

2001-01-24 Thread Jay Warner
First off, can we get an operational definition of 'self esteem'? I think in your case it might come down to, attitudes (or something) as expressed on a test. Or a test score. I agree that there is something there in the case of specific students and moments, but I haven't' seen anyone exp

Re: change scores

2001-01-24 Thread dennis roberts
here are a few urls i found at http://www.google.com how good they are ... i leave that up to you http://web.uccs.edu/lbecker/Psy590/gainscore.htm http://www.ulib.org/webRoot/Books/National_Academy_Press_Books/motor_performance/cover001.htm http://trochim.human.cornell.edu/courses/hss292/data-

Re: change scores

2001-01-24 Thread dennis roberts
the general problem you face is common to most studies like this ... UNLESS there is a whopping mean change AND, the scores on the post have considerably more variance than the pre ... have a look at if not ... then you get a negative r between pre and gain ... http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/

Re: Help Log-Probit in Excel

2001-01-24 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:32:56 -0400, "Richard A. Beldin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The transform from Z scores to probits uses a constant 6 translation, > not 5. I don't know if that solves your problem, but it might eliminate > some confusion. WHOSE confusion? I learned my probits from th

change scores

2001-01-24 Thread Dale Berger
Dear Colleagues, A student is evaluating a summer program for junior high students. One of the goals was to raise 'self esteem.' Measures were taken before the program, at the end, and a month later. He expected that the program would be most effective for those who entered with especially low

feel free

2001-01-24 Thread dennis roberts
again ... anyone interested in discussions about using commands in minitab ... please consider joining the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list ... anyone can join ... at http://f05n16.cac.psu.edu/archives/mtbcommands-l.html feel free to respond to any posts i am making ... with additions/comments/correctio

Re: 280 or not

2001-01-24 Thread Gene Gallagher
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert J. MacG. Dawson) wrote: > Interesting. If it's 8.4 degrees Fahrenheit at which he > switches, no conclusion could be drawn for *any* sample size because the > recorded value would not be a monotonic function of actual temperature.

Re: Help Log-Probit in Excel

2001-01-24 Thread Richard A. Beldin
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --ECCA490F99BC503A5BC927C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The transform from Z scores to probits uses a constant 6 translation, not 5. I don't know if that solves your problem, but it might elimin

Euclidean distance deviations

2001-01-24 Thread David A. Brinkman
I will be measuring several points in the XY plane and I will be calculating the mean of these points. For each point, there will be six trials. The six trials are necessary to accomplish the goal of determining accuracy in the measurements. What I want to do is determine how far each point is fro

Re: I dont know what the question is asking me? Please HELP!

2001-01-24 Thread ny226
thanks for everyone's tips, but this Inst doesnt usually collect HWs. i just learned in my second class. sorry for bothering ur time. :) Anyway, my second question is(this is the quiz for my elementary statistic): How do you calculate data by using 'graphic calculator'? 1) sample standard devia

RE: Q-techniques

2001-01-24 Thread Dale Glaser
There is also a nice chapter on Q-techniques by Grimm & Yarnold (2000). Reading and understanding more multivariate statistics. DC: APA. ...it is authored by Bruce Thompson (ch. 6) and titled: Q-technique factor analysis: One variation on the two-mode factor analysis of variables. (pp. 207-226)

WTB: HP3497A voltmeter

2001-01-24 Thread philippe . boeraeve
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Re: A much more basic MCAS fallacy?

2001-01-24 Thread Tony T. Warnock
There is another problem with testing, bureaucracies, schools, etc. One does not "teach to the test," rather one "teaches to the budget." Individual teachers may be rewarded by how well their students do on the tests and so teach the tests. The school may be in the situation that a poor school wil

Re: Q-techniques

2001-01-24 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:53:25 GMT, "Paolo Covelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know that the techniques as principal component analysis, factor analysis > or canonical correlation analysis are called R-techniques, because the > correlation matrix R plays an important role in this approach. > In

Re: Q-techniques

2001-01-24 Thread dennis roberts
are you talking about Q SORT techniques??? scroll down here a bit ... http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/droberts/5501.htm http://facstaff.uww.edu/cottlec/QArchive/Bps.htm ... some history At 01:53 PM 1/24/01 +, Paolo Covelli wrote: >I know that the techniques as principal component analysis

RE: A much more basic MCAS fallacy?

2001-01-24 Thread dennis roberts
At 07:34 AM 1/24/01 -0600, Olsen, Chris wrote: >Jay and All -- > > As a high school teacher, I would like to make a plea to the educational >measurement community and statisticians on this list: get involved in this >national issue of accountability. I have argued for too many years that we >ne

Help Log-Probit in Excel

2001-01-24 Thread H. Noedl
I am a medical Doctor primarily working in malaria research in Thailand. We are doing in vitro tests to assess the drug sensitivity of malaria parasites. For evaluation of the results I use the log-probit model (which is the standard evaluation method for malaria in vitro test) of SPSS 10, which g

Q-techniques

2001-01-24 Thread Paolo Covelli
I know that the techniques as principal component analysis, factor analysis or canonical correlation analysis are called R-techniques, because the correlation matrix R plays an important role in this approach. Instead techniques such as discriminant analysis, cluster analysis or multidimensional s

Re: 280 or not

2001-01-24 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Gene Gallagher wrote: > Imagine this as an MCAS question: > > A scientist has two thermometers, one Fahrenheit and the other Celsius. > When the temperature is less than 8.4 degrees, the scientist > uses the Celsius scale. When the temperature is more than > 8.4 degrees, he uses the Fahrenhei

Re: 280 or not

2001-01-24 Thread Gene Gallagher
This post is to clean up a few dangling threads and to correct an error in my previous post. In response to Rich, I pointed out yet another potential problem in the MCAS. School effectiveness is being based on the mean of scaled MCAS scores, which range from 200 to 280. Rich pointed out that th

RE: A much more basic MCAS fallacy?

2001-01-24 Thread Olsen, Chris
Jay and All -- I have been following with interest the discussion on MCAS. Jay Warner writes... > > the idea of measuring educational performance is fundamentally > worthwhile to meet certain objectives. the methods described > here fall far short of any ideal,and appear to fall short

Re: A much more basic MCAS fallacy?

2001-01-24 Thread Jay Warner
Gene Gallagher wrote: > [snip] > > I have no idea what logic went into developing this 200 - 280 point > scaling system. The point system for grading Las Vegas boxing matches > makes as much sense to me > >[snip again] Check out page 33 in the pdf and 31 in the report. There were 72 points

Re: Comparison of statistical software

2001-01-24 Thread P.G.Hamer
Ken K. wrote: > Like I said, everyone has different needs, backgrounds, etc. > > The main point is to acquire the demos and try the software!! Pick the one > you like best for your needs. You may also want to look at the communities addressing similar problems to your own. They may well be produ