Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-26 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 11:09:43 Rasmus ras...@gmx.us napisaƂ(a): Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com writes: 2013/9/25 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: I came to think that, having a piece of code that brings cross-compatibility between the 3 engines would be of

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-25 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 19.9.2013, at 11:38, Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/19 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: So what would the goal be? To make it compatible with XeLaTeX and LuaLaTeX out of the box? Yes, this is what

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-25 Thread Nicolas Girard
2013/9/25 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: On 19.9.2013, at 11:38, Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com wrote: I actually have some working code that does this. It lies in a file I named 'minimal.tex', which I include into all my latex code using \input{minimal}\makeatletter

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-25 Thread Carsten Dominik
Excellent, I'll wait for your further input. Thanks Nicolas! - Carsten On 25.9.2013, at 09:45, Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/25 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: On 19.9.2013, at 11:38, Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com wrote: I actually have some

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-25 Thread Rasmus
Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com writes: 2013/9/25 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: I came to think that, having a piece of code that brings cross-compatibility between the 3 engines would be of interest to people outside of the Org community. But this is not trivial,

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-19 Thread Rasmus
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: [...] The output tex file looks something like this: \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\else\fi

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-19 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi Rasmus, On 19.9.2013, at 11:11, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: [...] The output tex file looks something like this:

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-19 Thread Nicolas Girard
2013/9/19 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: So what would the goal be? To make it compatible with XeLaTeX and LuaLaTeX out of the box? Yes, this is what I mean. I would be happy to have some clever line in there that would do

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-19 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 19.9.2013, at 11:38, Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/19 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: So what would the goal be? To make it compatible with XeLaTeX and LuaLaTeX out of the box? Yes, this is what

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-18 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 17.9.2013, at 15:24, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: I'd be interested to see a patch to this effect. For now here's the filter I use and a add-to-list that hopefully works. It could be turned into a general function such

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-18 Thread Rasmus
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: [...] The output tex file looks something like this: \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\else\fi \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}\else\fi this looks excellent. I think we will implement this as the default behavior, but only after

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-18 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: [...] The output tex file looks something like this: \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\else\fi \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}\else\fi this looks excellent. I think we will

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-17 Thread Eric S Fraga
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On 11.9.2013, at 13:05, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Hi, A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX requires one to manually add a #+LaTeX_header:

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-17 Thread Rasmus
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: I'd be interested to see a patch to this effect. For now here's the filter I use and a add-to-list that hopefully works. It could be turned into a general function such that - Certain packages are only required with certain

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-17 Thread Rasmus
Hi Eric, While automatic package handling is very exciting it could go awry. I'm not too in favor of automatic package detection. Unless it works nearly perfectly, it just seems like trading one kind of user irritation for another. Yeah. Personally, I _always_ blast the default packages

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi, OK, so my proposal is - to add the rotating package - do document that the tabu package is needed when specifying tabu - do document that amsmath in needed when generating a matrix The reasoning: - wrapfig and longtable have been in there for a long time, we want to avoid breaking

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Rasmus
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: OK, let me ask like this: Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems. The internet suggests that there might be between memoir and wrapfig, but I didn't look

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Rainer M Krug
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: OK, let me ask like this: Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems. The internet suggests that there might be between memoir

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi Rasmus, On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: OK, let me ask like this: Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems. The internet

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
On Sep 16, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rasmus, On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: OK, let me ask like this: Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Rasmus
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone knows. Yes. Of course the cleanest solution would be to load as little as possible. But

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Andreas Leha
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone knows. Yes. Of course the cleanest solution would be to load

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
On 09/17/13 03:26 AM, Rasmus wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone knows. Yes. Of course the cleanest solution would be

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 17.9.2013, at 03:45, Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net wrote: On 09/17/13 03:26 AM, Rasmus wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 11.9.2013, at 13:05, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Hi, A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX requires one to manually add a #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} line to the org file. Could this

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-15 Thread Nicolas Girard
2013/9/15 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? Not that I know of.

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-14 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 13.9.2013, at 10:01, Detlef Steuer detlef.ste...@gmx.de wrote: Hi! Hello, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: So the question is should it be a default package? I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you generate a matrix. I think the tabu case (and

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-13 Thread Detlef Steuer
Hi! Hello, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: So the question is should it be a default package? I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you generate a matrix. I think the tabu case (and longtable...) is different from rotating. No feature in Org requires tabu

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-13 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Hello, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: My point is: if wrapfig is there, rotating should accompany it, or both should be removed from the variable. Also, there's no reason for longtable to be included. Your analysis makes a lot of sense (somehow looking at what LaTeX knowledge the user has, if he

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-12 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: So the question is should it be a default package? I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you generate a matrix. I think the tabu case (and longtable...) is different from rotating. No feature in Org requires tabu or longtable

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-12 Thread Rasmus
Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: Hello, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: So the question is should it be a default package? I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you generate a matrix. I think the tabu case (and longtable...) is different from rotating.

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-12 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 12.9.2013, at 19:42, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: So the question is should it be a default package? I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you generate a matrix. I think the tabu case (and longtable...)

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-12 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: It's tough. I've /never/ used neither wrapfig nor longtable. From a totally subjective point-of-view I'd certainly want to remove it! However, I wonder if this is the 'nicest' thing to do. Not everyone cares about LaTeX and not everyone cares to look into LaTeX

[O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Eric S Fraga
Hi, A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX requires one to manually add a #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} line to the org file. Could this package be added automatically by the exporter if the sidewaystable

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Rasmus
Hi Eric, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX requires one to manually add a #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} line to the org file. Could this package be added

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Eric S Fraga
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Hi Eric, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX requires one to manually add a #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} line to the org file.

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 11.9.2013, at 14:08, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Hi Eric, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX requires one to manually add a

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Rasmus
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Okay. I can live with this! I guess it would help if the documentation indicated when additional packages may be required. I had to do an internet search to find out I needed the rotating package for the sidewaystable option described in

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Rainer M Krug
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On 11.9.2013, at 14:08, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Hi Eric, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Eric S Fraga
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Okay. I can live with this! I guess it would help if the documentation indicated when additional packages may be required. I had to do an internet search to find out I needed the rotating package for the