Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Kim Jones
On 25/10/2008, at 8:10 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> OK - I don't 'know' that except in the sense of having the feeling >> that I read it somewhere - usually New Scientist... >> I'm sure that I could dig up the appropriate reference for you but I >> think you should maybe trust my 'feelings' on

Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Kim Jones
On 24/10/2008, at 9:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> I'm suggesting that emotions are tethered to survival need and >> protection of values etc. >> >> There is radical brain-chemistry change of state under emotions >> >> They have a physical effect on the organism having them that can be

Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Michael Rosefield
Absolutely, I don't think anyone could question this. Sensations are so filtered and processed that the sensorium we experience is pretty much just an elaborate fabrication of the brain... and no perception, memory-association or thought comes naked into our qualia - they all have some emotional dr

Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Kim Jones wrote: > > On 24/10/2008, at 5:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >>> There is radical brain-chemistry change of state under emotions >>> >>> They have a physical effect on the organism having them that can be >>> spotted easily by a 3rd party >>> >>> Feelings are mildly intellectual sensati

Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2008/10/24 Kim Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On 24/10/2008, at 4:14 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> I'm not sure what distinction you're making. As far as I'm concerned >> feelings=emotions. > > Brent which of the following portray 'feelings' and which portray > 'emotions': > > > I have a ( ) my

Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
> Wonder is more of a feeling though - don't need wonder as a survival > mechanism I can imagine wonder having survival value for highly evolved organisms like the homo sapiens. It is the driving force behind great scientists and engineers. It's an emotion that drive us to want to decode reality.

Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Kim Jones
On 24/10/2008, at 6:33 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > I believe emotions are very basic things. Just strong, overriding, > biological responses. I'm sure animals have them too. Without doubt animals are all 'on the make' - without emotions you cannot have any 'leverage' over your kind > How e

Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
> Why do we have emotions? Aren't simple, value-conferring feelings good > enough or something? Through adaption to the environment (non evolutionary), the human brain grows to become a much more complex systems than what could be encoded in the genotype. Lets just say that the Kolomogorv complex

Re: Emotions

2008-10-24 Thread Kim Jones
On 24/10/2008, at 5:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> There is radical brain-chemistry change of state under emotions >> >> They have a physical effect on the organism having them that can be >> spotted easily by a 3rd party >> >> Feelings are mildly intellectual sensations of value that we have