Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2009, at 08:53, Kim Jones wrote: > > Perhaps atheism is necessary as a stepping stone to a more correct > theology? Ah ah, I see that you want to provoke me :) Hard to say, I am discovering that many atheist websites adopt a new definition of atheism, making it a form of agnostic

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2009, at 19:36, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > I found a paper on the Mandelbrot set and computability, I > understand very little but maybe Bruno would be able to follow it: > > http://arxiv.org/abs/cs.CC/0604003 > > The same author has a shorter outline or slides for a presentation > on t

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2009, at 17:02, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > 2009/5/1 Bruno Marchal : > >>> That is, you can't say that the rock >>> implements one computation but not another. >> >> I don't think it implements any computations. I could accept some >> tiny >> apparition of tiny pieces of of tiny a

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Apr 2009, at 19:39, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 30 Apr 2009, at 15:49, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>Marchal wrote >> That is weird. >> >> I think that you believe that a rock implements computations, because >> you believe a computation can be decomposed in tiny com

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Apr 2009, at 18:29, Jesse Mazer wrote: > Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 29 Apr 2009, at 23:30, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > But I'm not convinced that the basic Olympia machine he describes > doesn't already have a complex causal structure--the causal > structure would be in the way different t

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Kelly
On Apr 29, 2:26 am, russell standish wrote: > > What extra information do you have in mind? I'd gladly update my > priors with anything I can lay my hands on. So changes to neural structure and the concentrations of various chemicals within neurons and around neural synapses is known to change c