Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Lee Corbin
Russell submits the following as clarifications: > An event is a particular set of coordinates (t,x,y,z) in 4D > spacetime. This is how it is used in GR, anyway. > > An observer moment is a set of constraints, or equivalently > information known about the world (obviously at a moment of time). >

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread John M
I salute Lee's new subject designation. I believe if we are up to identifying concepts with common sense content as well, we should not restrict ourselves into the model-distinctions of (any) physics but generalize the meanings beyond such restrictions. Of course: I am no physicist. My apologies.

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 02:00:30PM -0700, John M wrote: > I salute Lee's new subject designation. > > I believe if we are up to identifying concepts with > common sense content as well, we should not restrict > ourselves into the model-distinctions of (any) physics > but generalize the meanings be

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Lee Corbin
Russell writes > John M. wrote > > > I believe if we are up to identifying concepts with > > common sense content as well, we should not restrict > > ourselves into the model-distinctions of (any) physics > > but generalize the meanings beyond such restrictions. I agree: that is, so long as we c

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 08:09:46PM -0700, Lee Corbin wrote: > > Interesting note about "mind": there is no German language > equivalent for it. Another reason to be *very* careful when > employing it. Teutonic zombies elided.> > I am surprised about that! The word "der Geist" sprang immediate

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lee wrote: >Interesting note about "mind": there is no German language >equivalent for it. Another reason to be *very* careful when >employing it. Teutonic zombies elided.> > >In a very deep (but non-mathematical) book, "What is Thought?" >by Eric Baum, the author decides to use "mind" as the nam

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Lee wrote:] >Interesting note about "mind": there is no German language >equivalent for it. Another reason to be *very* careful when >employing it. Teutonic zombies elided.> > >In a very deep (but non-mathematical) book, "What is Thought?" >by Eric Baum, the author decides to use "mind" as the n

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Lee wrote:] >Interesting note about "mind": there is no German language >equivalent for it. Another reason to be *very* careful when >employing it. Teutonic zombies elided.> > >In a very deep (but non-mathematical) book, "What is Thought?" >by Eric Baum, the author decides to use "mind" as the n

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Aditya Varun Chadha
[LC]: > Well, Russell did also say that OMs and events seemed to him about as > alike as chalk and cheese. It's starting to look that way: > So, alas, it seems that the firmly established meanings of > "event" and "observer moment" can't really be said to be at > all the same thing. (Folks like

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread John M
To the quote of Lee's remark: I would try "Vernumft" (which may as well be similarly inaccurate for 'consciousness'). There were some German speaking souls(!) who used it quite effectively . I try for'mind':the mentality aspect of the living complexity which says not much more if 'mentality' is

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread Lee Corbin
Aditya writes > [LC]: > > Well, Russell did also say that OMs and events seemed to him about as > > alike as chalk and cheese. It's starting to look that way: > > > So, alas, it seems that the firmly established meanings of > > "event" and "observer moment" can't really be said to be at > > all th

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread John M
--- Lee Corbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russell writes > > > John M. wrote > > > > > To Russell's 4 coordinates of (any?) event: how > come > > > the occurrence (event!) of a 'good idea' in my > mind - > > > (mind: not a thing, not a place, not > time-restricted) > > > should have t,x,y,z co

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, Le 01-août-05, à 16:57, John M a écrit : Also simulating menatlity from computer expressions seems reversing the fact that in comp (AI etc.) the computer science attempts to simulate certain and very limited items we already discovered from our "mind". Except that since Turing, Churc

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John M: >To Searle's book-title: it implies that we already >HAVE discovered what the 'mind' is. Well, we did not. >At least not to the satisfaction of the advanced >thinking community. > >John M I think the name was a play the name of another book "The discovery of the mind" by Bruno Snell Se