[fonc] Report Card

2013-04-19 Thread Casey Ransberger
I wanted to send this message out after the final status report, but since that's indefinitely delayed (keep going!) I'm just going to do it now. Easy question: has keeping this dialogue open been useful to the folks at VPRI, or has it been more of a burden than anything else? I can definitely

Re: [fonc] Separating computation from the machine

2013-04-19 Thread Tristan Slominski
I don't think that's what the introduction implies. I'm going on a limb here and assume that I your conclusion stems from the author's claim of inability to separate meaning from mechanism, or even further, that computation is not a special thing worth having a theory about? Consider the author's

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Simon Forman
On 4/19/13, Simon Forman wrote: > Shroup, http://www.lawsofform.org/ Ooops! That should be Shoup, not "Shroup". "The history of mankind for the last four centuries is rather like that of an imprisoned sleeper, stirring clumsily and uneasily while the prison that restrains and shelters him ca

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Simon Forman
This might be of interest. Over the last century a small group of people, working largely independently and in isolation, have discovered and refined an Universal Language. This is a logic-symbolic notation, not a spoken language (i.e. not like Esperanto), that captures and expresses the essence o

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Rat Xue
So who cares about functionality we need to mechanically refactor the glue. On 19 April 2013 17:32, David Barbour wrote: > But in this case you've got a square law in play (i.e. N^2 edges for N > components). So the Pareto distribution becomes 96%-4%. > > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Casey

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread David Barbour
But in this case you've got a square law in play (i.e. N^2 edges for N components). So the Pareto distribution becomes 96%-4%. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote: > WRT the 90% guess, I usually go for 80% on stuff like that when I make a > SWAG where it smells like a Pareto

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Casey Ransberger
It's on the reading list now. Thank you! On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:56 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > Wow, automatic spelling correctors suck, especially early in the morning > > The only really good -- and reasonably accurate -- book about the history of > Lick, ARPA-IPTO (no "D", that is when things

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Alan Kay
Wow, automatic spelling correctors suck, especially early in the morning The only really good -- and reasonably accurate -- book about the history of Lick, ARPA-IPTO (no "D", that is when things went bad), and Xerox PARC is "Dream Machines" by Mitchell Waldrop. Cheers, Alan >_

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Alan Kay
The only really good -- and reasonable accurate -- book about the history of Lick, ARPA-IPTO (no "D", that is went things went bad), and Xerox PARC is "Dream Machines" by Mitchel Waldrop. Cheers, Alan > > From: Miles Fidelman >To: Fundamentals of New Computin

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Casey Ransberger wrote: This Licklider guy is interesting. CS + psych = cool. A lot more than cool. Lick was the guy who: - MIT Professor - pioneered timesharing (bought the first production PDP-1 for BBN) and AI work at BBN - served as the initial Program Manager at DARPA/IPTO (the folks who

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Chris Warburton
David Barbour writes: > Well, communicating with genuine aliens would probably best be solved by > multi-modal machine-learning techniques. The ML community already has > techniques for two machines to "teach" one another their vocabularies, and > thus build a strong correspondence. Of course, if

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Casey Ransberger
This Licklider guy is interesting. CS + psych = cool. This conversation makes me think of things Hofstadter wrote about with regard to isomorphism in Gödel, Escher, Bach. I only have one or two very small things to contribute here. Esperanto doesn't seem to have caught on, and sometimes a good id

Re: [fonc] 90% glue code

2013-04-19 Thread Casey Ransberger
WRT the 90% guess, I usually go for 80% on stuff like that when I make a SWAG where it smells like a Pareto distribution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM, David Barbour wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2