2009/12/18 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/12/17 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
I agree with Bod - most people I know will have heard of Craigslist,
but I don't know anyone that has used it. We know about it because it
is mentioned quite often on TV imported from the US. However,
2009/12/15 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com:
What particularly annoys me, is that the banner invites people to to click on
them, but when I click on it I get to the Dutch donation page, which does not
answer my question at all Why Craig of Craigslist urges me to support
Wikipedia.
It sounds like some Foundation-l readers are unfamiliar with Craigslist.
Here are some news clippings to better familiarize yourself:
*http://tinyurl.com/craigslist-in-news
*Gregory Kohs*
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:05 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
There is one point left. We can't measure the change in traffic to
Craigslist but we can measure this:
http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Craigslist
I'm actually not making a point with this link, I just find it interesting:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:05 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
There is one point left. We can't measure the change in traffic to
Craigslist but we can measure this:
http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Craigslist
If you are going to play that game, the one for Craig Newmark is better:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:05 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
There is one point left. We can't measure the change in traffic to
Craigslist but we can measure this:
http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Craigslist
If you are
Overly simplifying, indeed. How did you arrive at the $40 estimate? Are you
trying to convert the 15K pageviews in 1 day into a dollar value?
Do you think that when people see advertisements on TV, they all immediately
flock to websites to look up the product? No, of course not, only a minority
2009/12/17 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com:
This is great publicity for Craigslist and it would be silly to measure the
impact by the number of pageviews for our own page on Craigslist. I think
the point Geni was trying to make is that it has indeed raised some interest
in Craigslist,
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
If we put a quote from Nelson Mandela there, for example, it isn't very
likely that he will get any money
or website traffic or any quantifiable benefit from our banner.
I'm not against the Craig banner but you do
With regard to whether Craigslist is too parochial, I can give some
insight into the UK view.
Amongst my online friends (young, 20-40 year old, IT literate,
affluent consumers) Craigslist is certainly well known. But entirely
unused. I haven't heard of a single person using the site from this
On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bod Notbod wrote:
Craigslist is certainly well known. But entirely
unused.
That's fascinating, actually - anthropologically, I'm intrigued at a
site that's a household name in that demographic while being unused.
Globalization adds interesting twists to all
2009/12/17 Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org:
On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bod Notbod wrote:
Craigslist is certainly well known. But entirely
unused.
That's fascinating, actually - anthropologically, I'm intrigued at a
site that's a household name in that demographic while
David Gerard wrote:
2009/12/17 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
I agree with Bod - most people I know will have heard of Craigslist,
but I don't know anyone that has used it. We know about it because it
is mentioned quite often on TV imported from the US. However, despite
everyone having
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
that different.
As you say, that one was controversial and this one isn't that
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
I actually liked the idea of a picture of the man whose making the appeal
behind the text (regardless of the fact that Craigslist seemed very
US-centric to me, and appreciating the fact that members of the Advisory
Board would do such appeals) and I miss it from the Jimmy appeal. (It is an
Just as a bit of general background for this thread:
The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
Wikipedia. It's a pilot to see how our audience responds to
endorsements and testimonials by third parties. (So far, it is doing
reasonably well, but not fantastically so; we
Key phrase for me in this e-mail was CraigsList itself is a for-profit,
despite the fact that it was hidden in a parenthetical remark after lots of
glowing praise... The Craigslist Foundation is not Craigslist.
According to the Wikipedia article on Craigslist:
The company does not formally
2009/12/15 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
Just as a bit of general background for this thread:
The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
Wikipedia. It's a pilot to see how our audience responds to
endorsements and testimonials by third parties. (So far, it is doing
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:42, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote:
The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
Wikipedia.
How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking
countries, or countries where English is used as second/primary
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:42, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote:
The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
Wikipedia.
How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English
Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
them to have. Happy to see an endorsement from Craig Newmark. Now, if
it were Tiger Woods...
Nathan
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Is it really anti-capitalist to be against giving Craigslist free publicity?
Mark
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
them to
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other.
Who says it's free? I assume Mr. Newmark made a significant donation.
Maybe that assumption is wrong, though.
2009/12/15 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com:
If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us?
Didn't we have this discussion around Virgin Unite?
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Wikimedia_Foundation_to_introduce_paid_editing
Craig Newmark's on the WMF
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I assume Mr. Newmark made a significant donation.
Looking at Craig's appeal, now I see what gave me that impression: I'm a
proud supporter of Wikipedia, and I encourage you to make a donation to
support their work too. Could
geni wrote:
2009/12/15 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
Craig Newmark's on the WMF advisory board. Craigslist is already
famous. I really think it's pushing us forward, not the other way
around.
Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
million. Craigslist is
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
million.
Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I guess you didn't mention the company he
works for. The horror.
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2009/12/15 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help -
only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project
that's built around lots and lots of individual contributions (whether
we're talking content, finances, or
2009/12/15 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
million.
Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I guess you didn't mention the company he
works for. The horror.
With
We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
that different. Craigslist gets some publicity and we get some money
(hopefully - it's more definite in the matched donations case, of
course). I don't see a
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:58 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/15 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
million.
Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 16:47, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
million. Craigslist is at about 65 million wikipedia is at about 300
million. For groups that almost entirely exist online that's a fair
solid way of showing which is
2009/12/15 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
Just so I understand your argument. Were Jimmy Wales to lend his name
and good will to support a cause {insert here name of noble cause you
believe in}, I suppose you would summarize his help as oh, he's
trying to get his company to get a better
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/15 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
And whether it is Craig Newmark, the Dalai Lama, the Pope or my
neighbours, if their supporting a good cause actually works and
money comes in and awareness rises, frankly, I say
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, geni wrote:
So you are okey with adverts on wikipedia as long as they are ah
supporting a good cause?
Noun
advertisement (plural advertisements)
(marketing) A commercial solicitation designed to sell some commodity,
service or similar.
I really don't see how
geni wrote:
2009/12/15 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help -
only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project
that's built around lots and lots of individual contributions (whether
we're talking
If I were a rich and famous person that wanted to help out the WMF I
would get shitscared by this list and wouldn't touch the foundation with
a 10 foot pole
W
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Domas Mituzas midom.li...@... writes:
Erik,
The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
Wikipedia.
How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking
countries, or countries where
English is used as second/primary language on the web? :)
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If I were a rich and famous person that wanted to help out the WMF I
would get shitscared by this list and wouldn't touch the foundation with
a 10 foot pole
W
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
geni wrote:
2009/12/15 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help -
only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project
that's built
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:00, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed; and arguably Craig Newmark is much, much more famous in San
Francisco (where he's a local celeb) than he would be pretty much
anywhere else. That might be part of the issue here. If you know who
he is in the
On 12/15/2009 11:20 AM, Bryan Tong Minh wrote:
I for one have never heart of Craigslist before and I don't think I have heart
anybody talking about it before in real life.
This may be a regional thing.
According to Alexa, Craiglist is the 11th most popular US web site,
while Wikipedia is
I see we have taken to advertising craigslist. Would anyone care to explain why?
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Geni's referring to a fundraiser sitenotice with a picture of Craig Newmark,
and the text Craig of Craigslist urges you to support Wikipedia. Why?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
care to give some context to your question?
[[witty lama]]
Geni is speaking of the huge banner on Enwp at the moment featuring Craig of
craigslist. Hit reload a few times if you haven't seen it. It links to a
clearly spoken statement of support for wikipedia.
To avoid you haivng to click and goofing up the counters, here is what it says:
I'm a proud
The banner can be seen at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=2009_Craig_Appeal1
-Robert Rohde
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
care to give some context to your question?
[[witty lama]]
wittylama.com/blog
It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other. Anybody
who does not know what Craigslist is now will see it every time they see the
banner, may google it or look it up on WP to find out what it is, and start
using it.
Any time we put the name of any kind of person or
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