Re: Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-09 Thread Joe Kelsey
Søren Schmidt wrote: On 7Nov, 2008, at 20:12 , Peter Wemm wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] As stated, FreeBSD's ATA command timeout is hard-set to 5 seconds, and is not adjustable without editing the ATA code yourself and increasing the

Re: Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-07 Thread Artem Belevich
Note that Western Digital's RAID edition drives claim to take up to 7 seconds to reallocate sectors, using something they call TLER, which force-limits the amount of time the drive can spend reallocating. TLER cannot be disabled: TLER can be enabled/disabled on recent WD drives

Re: Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-07 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:08:01AM -0800, Artem Belevich wrote: Note that Western Digital's RAID edition drives claim to take up to 7 seconds to reallocate sectors, using something they call TLER, which force-limits the amount of time the drive can spend reallocating. TLER cannot be

Re: Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-07 Thread Julian Stacey
But regardless of TLER being toggleable, FreeBSD's ATA command timeout of 5 seconds is too aggressive, and should be increased. Likewise, the value should be a sysctl, so those who do want such aggressive values Once it migrates from a constant to sysctl variable, could kernel maybe also

Re: Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-07 Thread Peter Wemm
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] As stated, FreeBSD's ATA command timeout is hard-set to 5 seconds, and is not adjustable without editing the ATA code yourself and increasing the value. The FreeNAS folks have made patches available to turn the

Re: Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-07 Thread Volker Theile
I can confirm that. Many FreeNAS users had problems with their HDDs (e.g. with APM, awake disks to access them after they felt to sleep). Increasing timeouts solves the problem in most cases. I think increasing the value BUT allowing the user to set it to a preferred value via sysctrl would

Re: Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-07 Thread Søren Schmidt
On 7Nov, 2008, at 20:12 , Peter Wemm wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] As stated, FreeBSD's ATA command timeout is hard-set to 5 seconds, and is not adjustable without editing the ATA code yourself and increasing the value. The FreeNAS

Re: Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-07 Thread Jonas Lund
As i'm writing this i'm trying to rescue the contents of another computers disk. Something about the seek heads or something related to that is physically half-broken so the disk might need up to 10 retries just to read a sector, once read however it's usually no problem. I'm using myrescue

Western Digital hard disks and ATA timeouts

2008-11-06 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
A user and myself on a broadband forum were discussing the possibility of diminishing quality of hard disks (particularly 1TB models) in recent days (specifically October). The user continually referenced something called deep recovery cycle, backed with claims from Newegg reviewers (who often