Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS

2012-04-10 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 01:13 PM 4/10/2012, Jack wrote: >Cannot answer on all subjects, but re: disk/CD/DVD drivers, I am NOT >overly optimistic! Intel/Microsoft want us all to "buy into" AHCI, >and they may have started "ordering" mainboard vendors to omit SATA/ >IDE logic from their BIOS routines. Do you have a so

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 install errors...

2012-04-10 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 10-4-2012 18:21, Eric Auer schreef: > it seems even on modern hardware unpacking FreeCOM > during install may take VERY long, so we need a fix: This seems to be specific to the old installer (v3.7.8 by Jeremy) I think, as that unpacks entire packages. Sourcecode modification would be required

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 install errors...

2012-04-10 Thread Bret Johnson
> Have you tried explicit "I=-" and "X=-" commands with > JEMM386/JEMMEX?? I've tried several different JEMM options -- none of them fixed the problem on that particular computer. I finally just gave up and went to other alternatives. --

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 install errors...

2012-04-10 Thread Jack
>> actually I would not even OFFER a boot menu item to skip loading the >> XMS driver at all: You cannot even boot the install CD / USB on old >> pre-XMS PC. > > Probably a bad idea for compatibility reasons, unless you offer multiple > choices for which XMS manager to install. E.g., I have a c

Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS

2012-04-10 Thread Jack
> This topic is not about DOS vs other operating systems, or the fact > that users tend to gradually abandon DOS. It's about the survivability > of DOS vis-a-vis hardware ... What will happen with future development > of the hardware architectures? Cannot answer on all subjects, but re: disk/CD/DV

Re: [Freedos-user] 32 bit FreeDOS?

2012-04-10 Thread dmccunney
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Zbigniew wrote: > At the time of cheap computers, do we really need "multiuser" OS? It > was reasonable 20 years ago, when fast machine was really expensive - > but is it still today, when every average user can have his own > computer (and - in fact - has several

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 install errors...

2012-04-10 Thread Mark Brown
the "no-drivers" choice, No. 4, is provided because some programs, such as PLoP, will not load at all unless there are *no drivers* loaded, at least on my system...   PLoP chokes on any drivers in freedos 1.1, saying: "cannot run under windows in a dos box", in effect.   i kid you not.

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 install errors...

2012-04-10 Thread Bret Johnson
> actually I would not even OFFER a boot menu item to skip loading the > XMS driver at all: You cannot even boot the install CD / USB on old > pre-XMS PC. Probably a bad idea for compatibility reasons, unless you offer multiple choices for which XMS manager to install. E.g., I have a computer wh

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 install errors...

2012-04-10 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Bernd, it seems even on modern hardware unpacking FreeCOM during install may take VERY long, so we need a fix: - it is good to have source and binary in one zip - but you can use info-zip's command line options (-x source/*) to exclude sources from unzip :-) - a default install does not n

Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS

2012-04-10 Thread Mark Brown
if the hardware chokes on real programming, someone will make an emulator. good! . eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com

Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS

2012-04-10 Thread Marco Achury
El 10/04/2012 10:07 a.m., Alex escribió: > Hi > > This topic is not about DOS vs other operating systems, or the fact > that users tend to gradually abandon DOS. It's about the survivability > of DOS vis-a-vis hardware. > The starting point for my reasoning is: what will happen with the > future de

Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS

2012-04-10 Thread Karen Lewellen
Well I would say this about hardware. I began using dos in 1988, when I first came to computers. It is now 2012, and I am still using it. My experience has personally been that people have created ways to use dos with hardware as it changes, no reason for that to stop any time soon. I am not talki

[Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS

2012-04-10 Thread Alex
Hi This topic is not about DOS vs other operating systems, or the fact that users tend to gradually abandon DOS. It's about the survivability of DOS vis-a-vis hardware. The starting point for my reasoning is: what will happen with the future development of the hardware architectures? So far DOS ha

[Freedos-user] File systems for FreeDOS

2012-04-10 Thread Alex
Hi I have been mulling over the possibility of using an alternative file system with FreeDOS. In case anyone asks "what's wrong with the default file system?" I will just say, nothing "wrong", but it lacks some features. Extended attributes, for one. The LEAN file system (http://freedos-32.sourcef