Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-13 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On den 8 mars 2006 14.58.20 -0500 gboyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Security Lists wrote: > >> Sorry, I don't see this as amplification in your example, because YOUR >> dns servers are 100% of the traffic. 1:1 ratio. > > Once the first request to the nameservers is ma

RE: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-13 Thread Keith T. Morgan
t: RE: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem >>In the scenario you describe, I cannot see any actual amplification... I'll give you a senario where you can see. lets say you have 2 name servers that are local to you. I setup a domain, example.com.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-08 Thread Mark Senior
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that DNS responses that go over the max size of a UDP datagram won't get split into multiple UDP datagrams. Rather, a response with only partial data will be sent back, and the client has to reconnect over TCP to get the full data. RFC 2671

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-08 Thread gboyce
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Security Lists wrote: Sorry, I don't see this as amplification in your example, because YOUR dns servers are 100% of the traffic. 1:1 ratio. Once the first request to the nameservers is made, the object should be cached by the nameservers. Instead of one packet to each s

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-08 Thread Security Lists
Sorry, I don't see this as amplification in your example, because YOUR dns servers are 100% of the traffic. 1:1 ratio. Now, if you get the world to cache your text records, and have THEM flood with source-spoofed UDP (unrelated to the victim's DNS servers), that'd work, and is actually a good

RE: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-08 Thread Geo.
>>In the scenario you describe, I cannot see any actual amplification... I'll give you a senario where you can see. lets say you have 2 name servers that are local to you. I setup a domain, example.com. In this domain I create a text record which is 100K in length, I don't know, perhaps I paste