Re: RE�: Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-25 Thread Charles Oppenheim
ad: many words and > little substance. Oh well... > > jcg > > > Message d'origine > De: American Scientist Open Access Forum de la part de > Stevan Harnad > Date: jeu. 24/07/2008 21:28 > À: > american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.

Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-25 Thread Thomas Krichel
Stevan Harnad writes > And an author having to import and deposit every one of his own > institutional outputs into his own institutional repository No this can be partly automated at today's level of technology and data infrastructure. The rest can be done by IR staff. Future scholarly c

RE�: Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-25 Thread Gu�don Jean-Claude
arnad List-Post: goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org Date: jeu. 24/07/2008 21:28 À: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Objet : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Guédon Jean-Claude wrote: > I stil

Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Stevan Harnad
origine > De: American Scientist Open Access Forum de la part de Stevan Harnad > Date: jeu. 24/07/2008 19:49 > À: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org > Objet : Re: RE : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA > policy > > O

RE�: Re: RE : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Gu�don Jean-Claude
ist Open Access Forum de la part de Stevan Harnad List-Post: goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org Date: jeu. 24/07/2008 19:49 À: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Objet : Re: RE : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy On Thu, Jul 24, 2

Re: RE : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Stevan Harnad
Stevan Harnad > Date: jeu. 24/07/2008 13:51 > À: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org > Objet :      Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Guédon Jean-Claude < > jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca&g

RE�: Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Gu�don Jean-Claude
--- De: American Scientist Open Access Forum de la part de Stevan Harnad List-Post: goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org Date: jeu. 24/07/2008 13:51 À: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Objet : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy On

Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Arthur Sale
rican-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM] Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy   On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Guédon Jean-Claude wrote:   How can Harnad simultaneously state that there is n

Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Guédon Jean-Claude wrote: > I agree that a repository without a mandate is ineffective. Consequently, > arguing that one is not against "institution-external OA depositories" > while "driving against mandating direct deposit" is more than a little > disingenuous.

Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Thomas Krichel wrote: > Arthur Sale: Funders can nominate where they want the research they fund to  > be deposited, but in reality, to do so other than in the institutional > repository simply creates extra work for everyone,

Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Thomas Krichel
Arthur Sale writes > ~SUniversities are delinquent in their duty of public > accountability if they do not make all their research outputs which > are not specifically commissioned by private enterprise publicly > accessible on the Internet.~T That's what you think is their duty. There are

RE�: Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Gu�don Jean-Claude
23/07/2008 12:57 À: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Objet : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Guédon Jean-Claude < jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca> wrote: How can Harnad simultaneously

RE�: Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-24 Thread Gu�don Jean-Claude
Date: jeu. 24/07/2008 03:10 À: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Objet : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy Let me add something that I have said repeatedly in many forums and without contradiction: "Universities are delinquent i

Re: [SOAF] Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
.) Reason:  To facilitate instead of retarding the scaling up to universal OA. (It would save readers a lot of time and bandwidth if those rushing to proclaim "Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy" would first take the trouble to understand what Harnad is saying on

Re: [SOAF] Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Armbruster, Chris wrote in SOAF: I fail to see how Harnad's drive against the best that exists: large, functional and service-oriented repositories, is of any service to the OA movement. (1) No drive against institution-external OA repositories,

Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
.) Reason:  To facilitate instead of retarding the scaling up to universal OA. (It would save readers a lot of time and bandwidth if those rushing to proclaim "Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy" would first take the trouble to understand what Harnad is saying on

RE�: Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-23 Thread Gu�don Jean-Claude
List-Post: goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org Date: mar. 22/07/2008 15:44 À: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Objet : Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Armbruster, Chris wrote in SOAF: I fail

Re: Harnad's faulty thinking on OA deposit and APA policy

2008-07-22 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Armbruster, Chris wrote in SOAF: I fail to see how Harnad's drive against the best that exists: large, functional and service-oriented repositories, is of any service to the OA movement. (1) No drive against institution-external OA repositories,