[LEAPSECS] FW: Leapsecs Listserve Moving

2007-01-31 Thread matsakis . demetrios
This message was sent to the new email address as a test. Our plan for the old web site on rom.usno.navy.mil is to place a "leapseconds has moved" notice there. -Original Message----- From: Matsakis, Demetrios N. Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:59 PM To: 'Leap Seconds I

Re: [LEAPSECS] WP7A status

2008-12-16 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
There is a mistake in the viewgraphs, which the authors will correct in any other reports they generate. This is the reference to URSI. I was the person who chaired the URSI Commission J working group, and later chaired the URSI-wide working group on the matter. Every report noted that no signif

Re: [LEAPSECS] WP7A status

2008-12-16 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
50353b2c...@echoex.timenet.usno.navy.mil>, "Matsakis, Demetrios" writes: >On the basis of six years of non-expression of interest from their >constituency, the URSI secretariat made a unanimous decision to not >respond to the ITU-R's Special Rapporteur Group's letter, and my >

Re: [LEAPSECS] WP7A status

2008-12-18 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
The best way to get "Time" out of GPS is to apply the leap seconds and subframe 4 corrections of the broadcast GPS navigation message to GPS time, and get UTC(USNO) via GPS. Most GPS receivers do this automatically. There can be calibration and latency issues, which are usually but not always belo

Re: [LEAPSECS] WP7A status

2008-12-18 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
riginal Message- From: Richard B. Langley [mailto:l...@unb.ca] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:14 PM To: Leap Second Discussion List; Matsakis, Demetrios Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] WP7A status Not just for navigation. The geodetic community time-tags GPS measurements with GPS (System) Tim

Re: [LEAPSECS] temporal turf wars

2009-01-03 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
I agree with Tom about GPS. Over the past decade both GPS's delivered prediction of UTC(USNO) and GPS time have been getting closer and closer to UTC(USNO), modulo 1 second and as measured by the RMS. That is mostly due to improved GPS clocks, but tighter steering was implemented about ten

[LEAPSECS] Windows Time's "Great Leap Forward"

2009-10-09 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Microsoft's NTP package gives no notice of a pending leap second, even when acting as a server. Here are some pastes from Microsoft's web site: "The Windows Time service does not indicate the value of the Leap Indicator when the Windows Time service receives a packet that includes a leap second.

Re: [LEAPSECS] why not put leap seconds into zoneinfo?

2009-11-03 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Here is a babblefish translation of the link: Buenos Aires, oct 16 (Reuters) - the Argentine Government will not change to the standard time east weekend, as it were predicted, said to Friday state agency Télam, at moments at which the opposition of the provincial governments grew. "At the mom

Re: [LEAPSECS] Problems with GPS?

2010-02-10 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
I have no privileged information and GPS receiver programming is not what I do, but I also have never known the ICD200 to be incorrect. Perhaps ten years ago, two timing experts separately informed me of great frustration they had writing their own GPS receiver software, but it turned out they

Re: [LEAPSECS] "UTC is derived from TAI"

2010-03-14 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
The concept of whether TAI is a product in itself, or just a step to generate UTC, has led to some disagreements over time. However, there is only one UTC, which has many realizations. The true UTC is determined not from the realizations, but from the clocks behind those realizations. ___

Re: [LEAPSECS] "UTC is derived from TAI"

2010-03-14 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Discussion List Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] "UTC is derived from TAI" On Sun 2010-03-14T21:11:58 -0400, Matsakis, Demetrios hath writ: > However, there is only one UTC, which has many realizations. The > true UTC is determined not from the realizations, but from the clocks > behind

[LEAPSECS] FW: comments on DRR TF.460-6

2010-09-28 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
I asked an unquestioned expert on celestial navigation about its UT requirements. This was his response: For observed stars that are near the celestial equator or at low declinations, the error can be up to 0.25 nm per uncorrected second. This is a systematic error, i.e., all lines of position f

[LEAPSECS] UTC Redefinition Advanced

2010-10-22 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
I have now heard from two sources that the revised ITU-R draft recommendation TF.460-6 passed a major hurdle in Geneva last week. It will be sent by SG7 to the January 2012 Radiocommunication Assembly meeting. At the Radiocommunication Assembly only countries that belong to the ITU-R can vote and

Re: [LEAPSECS] Saint Crispin's Day

2010-10-26 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
It wouldn't surprise me if you have your kids build one of those for a science fair project! From: Tom Van Baak Sent: Tue 10/26/2010 2:14 AM To: Leap Second Discussion List Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] Saint Crispin's Day ... And no, my lab isn't near as good as NIST; but I do keep an eye out for

Re: [LEAPSECS] php breaks if UTC has no leap seconds?

2010-12-10 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
At the USNO, I had monthly meetings on Y2K problems starting in 1998. Some were handled in software, and others required dealing with the manufacturer. Our equipment that gave time to NTP via IRIG-B required a special chip to prevent falling back 100 years upon restart. Some of our GPS monitor eq

Re: [LEAPSECS] Looking-glass, through

2011-01-14 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
I can't help with the flying cars, but UTC does "deliver" a frequency that is the most precisely and accurately measured quantity known to humans. Time is the integral of that frequency, and over one leapsecond-less day a frequency error of 1.E-12 corresponds to a time error of 86400*1.E-12 = 86 n

Re: [LEAPSECS] Two clocks are better than one

2011-04-13 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Although I believe I included amateur astronomer concerns uncritically in my URSI report on the leap seconds, I have always wondered how many astronomers who are at the level of needing to correct for UT1 would not be competent to do so. I would guess that most would consider doing so part of the

Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3

2012-11-25 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Rumors that the USNO tried to insert a leap decade as an experiment are not exactly correct. See the message in http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ntp.html. One of the 50-odd emails we got indicated that it would take working all night to undo the damage. A few responded that it was a good lesson for

Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3

2012-11-25 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Rumors that the USNO tried to insert a leap decade as an experiment are not exactly correct. See the message in http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ntp.html. One of the 50-odd emails we got indicated that it would take working all night to undo the damage. A few responded that it was a good lesson for

Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 88, Issue 31

2014-01-14 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Not my issue, but the last day of the 20th century is technically December 31, 2000.I wish it weren't. When this controversy passed in 1701, Isaac Newton is quoted has having rejoiced that "the issue was finally behind us". Also, I would add November 18, 1858 as the first day in the Modif

[LEAPSECS] Daylight Time snafus

2014-02-24 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Sometimes it doesn't matter how much notice is given. This morning I got an email from someone asking why his clock just jumped to daylight time.I've had many emails from people whose clocks incorporate a change late, which could be due to radio reception problems among other things. I've

[LEAPSECS] Real April Fools' Joke: GMT Abolished

2014-04-03 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/paris-meridian-gmt-obsolete.html -Original Message- From: leapsecs-boun...@leapsecond.com [mailto:leapsecs-boun...@leapsecond.com] On Behalf Of leapsecs-requ...@leapsecond.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:01 PM To: leapsecs@leapsecond.com Subject:

Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 91, Issue 4 prime meridian and legalities

2014-04-08 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
ecific than "Re: Contents of LEAPSECS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Real April Fools' Joke: GMT Abolished (Rob Seaman) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 05:57:20 -0700 From: Rob Seaman Subject: Re: [LEAPSEC

Re: [LEAPSECS] Earth speeding up?

2014-04-15 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
ssion List; Matsakis, Demetrios Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] Earth speeding up? In message , "Mats akis, Demetrios" writes: >The best hand-waiving arguments I've heard for these recent "decadal >fluctuations" is that the oblateness of the Earth is changing, possibly

[LEAPSECS] Changing the name of UTC

2014-10-16 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
With regards to Gerard's question (below), I think the answer is that his timescale is one of a large class of possible timescales that could be given any name desired as soon as anybody had a use for it. It would be trivial to compute the calendar dates he talks about of course, but it's not

[LEAPSECS] Comments on predictions for this century

2015-01-16 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Tom, I don't have any special predictive insights, but when I look at the data things appear to be fairly flat.Although the length of day (LOD) has dropped below 86400 in the recent summers, it didn't last year. As my viewgraphs indicate, the best predictor for this kind of variation is

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-27 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
The marketplace.org article quotes Bob Tjoelker as saying his team, and deep-space missions in general, can handle leap seconds. I've known Bob Tjoelker for years. He's a super-scientist designing super-clocks. Since some of those clocks are space-qualified, he is literally a rocket scienti

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Leap Second Discussion List Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks > On Jan 28, 2015, at 2:33 AM, Martin Burnicki > wrote: > > Warner Losh schrieb: >> >>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Steve Allen wrote: >>> >&

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
...@leapsecond.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hennessy Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:50 PM To: Leap Second Discussion List Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks On 01/28/2015 01:42 PM, Matsakis, Demetrios wrote: > To Steve mostly, > > It would be misl

Re: [LEAPSECS] the year 2100

2015-02-03 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Steve, I think this is quite an improvement. I agree with you about the median, especially as many of the predictions are not necessarily independent. I haven't reproduced the curves of your new plots, and I don't have a missing estimate of DeltaT, but I have some suggestions: 1. The plot

[LEAPSECS] Dr. Gernot Winkler

2016-05-06 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Dr. Gernot Winkler passed on April 30. To this list he is well-known as the person who, along with Dr. Essen of NPL. initiated the current system of leap seconds in UTC. To us in the U.S. Naval Observatory's Time Service Department, Gernot was an inspiring leader in every way. A strong and s

[LEAPSECS] Ton Van Baak on PBS tonight!

2016-05-18 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
Look for a TV show on National Geographic or PBS called "Genius by Stephen Hawking". Episode 1: Can We Time Travel? It is at 9 PM in Washington DC ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com https://pairlist6.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs

Re: [LEAPSECS] [Non-DoD Source] midyear leap roundup

2016-07-02 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios
I'm surprised nobody reacted to some of the things in Steve's email. It's probably because 8 years is a long time (7 now). With regards to the last paragraph, the support for Steve's inference seems rather weak. I feel an obligation to point out that as far as I have seen my employer, the U.

Re: [LEAPSECS] [Non-DoD Source] Re: new delta-T data point

2017-11-03 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios N CIV NAVOBSY, N3TS
The quote below (from biblegateway.com) may imply a meteor shower also took a toll on their adversaries.Perhaps someone should scan the area for meteorites suitably below ground? ... having marched all night from Gilgal. 10 So the Lord routed them before Israel, killed them with a great

Re: [LEAPSECS] [Non-DoD Source] Re: new delta-T data point

2017-11-03 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios N CIV NAVOBSY, N3TS
>From the table in the reference provided by Paul Hirose's post >(http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/nao/lvm/) , the uncertainty in delta-T is 0.4 hours. > At a latitude of 31 degrees, I compute a (1-sigma) distance of 500 km, which >the internet tells me is about as far away as Alexandria. Judging from

Re: [LEAPSECS] [Non-DoD Source] D.H. Sadler in 1954

2018-03-16 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios N CIV NAVOBSY, N3TS
I was surprised to find phrases in the Lick web pages: "CCIR ignored the advice that astronomers " and "squelched astronomers who insisted that leap seconds would cause trouble". I realize their author is not the only person with a strong emotional bias, but even so I question the tone of t

Re: [LEAPSECS] [Non-DoD Source] Re: no more listening to leap seconds?

2018-08-10 Thread Matsakis, Demetrios N CIV NAVOBSY, N3TS
Well, I can't match Tom's poetry but I note that the deregulation of power-line-time makes the WWV-series even more critical. So far, though, I haven't seen super-large changes in the timing of the 60 Hz signals coming into the USNO. Seems like there was a net 30 second drop in June. -Ori