[LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
As part of some research on a different topic, I came across a summary of the 1980 plenary meeting of CCITT, where appearantly the CCITT formally decided to switch from GMT to UTC. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD com

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-12 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <10832.1229096...@critter.freebsd.dk> "Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: : : As part of some research on a different topic, I came across a : summary of the 1980 plenary meeting of CCITT, where appearantly the : CCITT formally decided to switch from GMT to UTC. that would make i

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20081212.091847.-653353160@bsdimp.com>, "M. Warner Losh" writes : >In message: <10832.1229096...@critter.freebsd.dk> >"Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: >: >: As part of some research on a different topic, I came across a >: summary of the 1980 plenary meeting of CCITT, where

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-12 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > PS: According to Wikipedia, ISO 31-1 defines a day as 86400 seconds, > anybody here who can verify if this is really the original text ? ISO 8601-2004 cites ISO 31-1, and specifies several meanings for "day", one of which is equivalent to 86400 sec

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Tony Fi nch writes: >ISO 8601-2004 cites ISO 31-1, and specifies several meanings for "day", >one of which is equivalent to 86400 seconds. Wonderful confusion. It is insteresting that the militant 86400 second definition of ISO-31-1 only got superseeded once somebody tried to make U

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-12 Thread Tom Van Baak
Wonderful confusion. It is insteresting that the militant 86400 second definition of ISO-31-1 only got superseeded once somebody tried to make UTC compliant with it :-) But if nothing else, it underscores how little attention people have paid to leap seconds... It's hard to know how much or li

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-12 Thread Zefram
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >PS: According to Wikipedia, ISO 31-1 defines a day as 86400 seconds, >anybody here who can verify if this is really the original text ? Yes. ISO 31-1:1992(E) lists the following as units of time "which may be used together with SI units because of their practical importa

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-12 Thread Zefram
Tom Van Baak wrote: >Does anyone know much time ISO spends defining leap days, >or does everyone just take them for granted? Is there official >text on the definition. ISO 8601 fully defines the Gregorian calendar, including the complete leap day rule. It says relatively little about leap seconds

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-14 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Zefram wrote: > > [ISO 8601 is] neutral about whether and when leap seconds may occur: > that's an application issue. The timezone designators are specifically > described as being relative to UTC, but it is more consistent with the > rest of the standard to treat that mention

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-14 Thread Zefram
Tony Finch wrote: >I can't see anything in ISO 8601-2000 or -2004 that supports "vague UT". >Both versions of the standard are quite specific about times of day being >UTC or at a specific offset from UTC. Quoting from ISO 8601:2004(E). Start with the most fundamental definition, section 2.1.1:

Re: [LEAPSECS] Footnote about CCITT and UTC

2008-12-15 Thread Tony Finch
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Zefram wrote: > > NOTE These expressions apply to both UTC and non-UTC based time > scales for time of day. > > This seems to be the crucial bit that you missed. It's explicit about > allowing time scales other than UTC, and doesn't restrict the choice > of time s