Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 09 April 2019, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > is it a community consensus that, when someone uses OSM to train > their machine learning "black box", the internal data structures > built during learning constitute a derivative database? Or are there > people who argue that somehow the "black bo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Given what I know about machine learning (specifically neural networks), it would be hard to argue that the internal data generated by the neural network could be considered a database in the legal sense. This is because the internal data is semantically opaque and incomprehensible to humans and th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-09 Thread Kathleen Lu via legal-talk
My two cents: I'm not sure what you mean by internal data structures. If OSM data is used to train a ML algorithm, then I would think that the training inputs could be a substantial extract (possibly a trivial transformation of an extract). But what is trained would be an algorithm/weights, which I

[OSM-legal-talk] OSM for training ML machines

2019-04-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, is it a community consensus that, when someone uses OSM to train their machine learning "black box", the internal data structures built during learning constitute a derivative database? Or are there people who argue that somehow the "black box" can ingest OSM data at will and still remain 100%