[Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi David, dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11) Direct formatting is less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more confusing to the average user than MSO's. Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? thanks, Cor -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.li

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Cor Cor Nouws wrote >> Direct formatting is >> less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more >> confusing to the average user than MSO's. > > Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? Because the direct format button are "in your face" and

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Cor Nouws wrote > dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11) > >> > >> Direct formatting is >> less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more >> confusing to the average user than MSO's. > > Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? > > thanks, > Cor Hi C

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Cor, On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Hi David, > > dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11) > > >> > > Direct formatting is >> less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more >> confusing to the average user than MSO's. >> > > Hmm. would you mind to explain w

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Le 18/09/2013 18:45, Pedro a écrit : > > To do the same with Styles you need to select the Paragraph and at least 5 > mouse clicks (assuming you know where Styles are) ;) > Yes, for sure. But changing a style is extensive: the changes apply throughout the document, whereas a local format is, wel

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Mirek, Le 18/09/2013 23:15, Mirek M. a écrit : > > Keep in mind that I > encourage use of hard formatting for things like bold/italicize. OMG ! /o\ If someone from the dev team promotes such an odd behaviour, I guess that trainers have a long way to go in order to make users adopt styles

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Jean, On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker < jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net> wrote: > Hi Mirek, > > Le 18/09/2013 23:15, Mirek M. a écrit : > > > > Keep in mind that I > > encourage use of hard formatting for things like bold/italicize. > > OMG ! /o\ > > If someone f

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Jean-Francois Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote > Yes, for sure. But changing a style is extensive: the changes apply > throughout the document, whereas a local format is, well, local. > IOW, changing a style is worth the few extra clicks, if any and setting > direct formatting is actually requir

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi David, dollyp wrote (18-09-13 18:38) Cor Nouws wrote I'm being very subjective here. I considered I was a master of using styles in MSO Word but I found it confusing moving to LO Writer. I acknowledge that as a concept styles should be used for everything and so it's perhaps not surprising

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Pedro, Pedro wrote (18-09-13 18:45) Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? Because the direct format button are "in your face" and changing a style requires clicking 1) left click the Style name (assuming the Style bar is showing and that the user knows how t

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Pedro wrote (19-09-13 12:02) To be honest the Microsoft approach is much more efficient: when you press the Bold button, the Style is automatically changed to Normal+Bold which allows you to modify the Style for all Bold word at a later stage... Distadvantage IMO it that it makes the concept,

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Pedro, maybe some options are there. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-ux-advise-some-thoughts-on-the-Sidebar-tp4073014p4075380.html Sent from the UX-Advise mailing list archiv

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Miguel Ángel mariosv wrote > maybe some options are there. That is a VERY interesting feature (again hidden in one of the 12 tabs in the obscure Modify option). Thanks! But that is not what I meant. That modifies the current style. The idea is that Default stays Default but if you use the di

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Pedro, look for yellow mark at right. There you can create a new style based on the current format, and the type of style depends on what type you have selected: paragraph, character or page. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-ux-advise-some-thoug

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

mariosv wrote > There you can create a new style based on the current format, and the type > of style depends on what type you have selected: paragraph, character or > page. But that is not the same. First, you need to *manually* create the new style (and give it a name) while what MS Word does is

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Pedro, Le 19/09/2013 12:02, Pedro a écrit : > > To be honest the Microsoft approach is much more efficient: when you press > the Bold button, the Style is automatically changed to Normal+Bold which > allows you to modify the Style for all Bold word at a later stage... Didn't know that. My lat

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi, Le 18/09/2013 18:38, dollyp a écrit : > > I think that it is too simplistic to just think that styles are the answer > to everything. Well, no. What's simplistic is to think a computer is a glorified typewriter. Unfortunately for the masses and for more than 20 years, *all* software publish

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

Hi Jean-François Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote > This is interesting, indeed. But I see a "problem" here: the automatic > setting (the bad word is "automatic"). This won't make styles apparent > to users and you may end with users changing bold to italics by hand, > just because they miss the st