Op woensdag 17-12-2008 om 09:52 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Werner
LEMBERG:
Hmm. I don't know either. Maybe a question for emacs-devel?
Yep, turned out to be an Emacs bug.
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-12/msg00877.html
Jan.
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Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org |
On 19 Dec 2008, at 04:49, Graham Breed wrote:
Keyboard maps can demand certain key stroke combinations for
output, and can
output a sequence of characters, I would think, because otherwise
some
Unicode combining character combinations might not be possible. So
it might
be possible to
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008, Graham Breed gbr...@gmail.com said:
2008/12/19 Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se:
Maybe there's a distinction between a keyboard map and input
method here.
definately.
Keyboard maps eat multiple keystrokes in a declared sequence intending to
emit the encoding of one glyph;
Hans Aberg wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16 g♯( a g♯ f♯♯ g♯ c♯ e d♯ c♯ d♯ c♯ b♯ c♯ e g♯)
This doesn't save keystrokes, though, does it? Can a
user get ♯ with a single key? I think english.ly is
still finest, the only possible improvement would be
to find a single key for the
By the way, if both english.ly and deutsch.ly incorporated the utf-8
idea, German would win the minimal-size contest thanks to the b/h
quirk of that language.
Note that it is quite unusual in German to write `g#'; we almost
always use `gis'. The same for the flat accidental.
Werner
On 18 Dec 2008, at 10:11, Mark Polesky wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16 g♯( a g♯ f♯♯ g♯ c♯ e d♯ c♯ d♯ c♯ b♯ c♯
e g♯)
This doesn't save keystrokes, though, does it? Can a
user get ♯ with a single key?
Yes, with the right key map (keyboard layout), but I think you will
have
Hans == Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se writes:
Hans Perhaps LilyPond users should agree on one keyboard layout -
Hans it takes some effort to do.
This is the kind of suggestion that would only be made by a music
software person who had never worked with vocal music.
--
Laura
On 18 Dec 2008, at 16:53, Laura Conrad wrote:
Hans Perhaps LilyPond users should agree on one keyboard layout -
Hans it takes some effort to do.
This is the kind of suggestion that would only be made by a music
software person who had never worked with vocal music.
If you want to fit
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008, Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se said:
If you want to fit all the world languages into one keyboard map, you
might join the Unicode list; there are more than 10 characters
available.
Unicode is a good solution for recording the result internally, but as far
as I know
Hans == Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se writes:
Hans On 18 Dec 2008, at 16:53, Laura Conrad wrote:
Hans Perhaps LilyPond users should agree on one keyboard layout -
Hans it takes some effort to do.
This is the kind of suggestion that would only be made by a music
On 18 Dec 2008, at 20:40, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
If you want to fit all the world languages into one keyboard map, you
might join the Unicode list; there are more than 10 characters
available.
Unicode is a good solution for recording the result internally, but
as far
as I know
On 18 Dec 2008, at 20:54, Laura Conrad wrote:
Hans If you want to fit all the world languages into one
keyboard map,
I don't. My point was that unless you do, a lilypond-specific
keyboard
map isn't going to be usable for people who transcribe vocal music for
all the world languages.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008, Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se said:
On 18 Dec 2008, at 20:40, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
Unicode is a good solution for recording the result internally
Right. So the best one can hope for is a series of keyboard maps that
perhaps unify groups of characters, that
Hi,
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Hans Aberg wrote:
On 18 Dec 2008, at 22:28, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
Right. So the best one can hope for is a series of keyboard maps that
perhaps unify groups of characters, that those that so like may use.
The issue is to create a UTF-8 text file with
2008/12/19 Johannes Schindelin johannes.schinde...@gmx.de:
Hi,
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Hans Aberg wrote:
Right. On Mac OS X, just use commandspace or whatever you set it to
change key map.
Right, let's make things complicated.
No, but thanks, no,
So how do you switch to Chinese input?
2008/12/19 Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se:
Keyboard maps can demand certain key stroke combinations for output, and can
output a sequence of characters, I would think, because otherwise some
Unicode combining character combinations might not be possible. So it might
be possible to capture
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 22:27 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Werner
LEMBERG:
although (with read-quoted-char-radix=16) C-Q 1d12a RET does not
give me a double sharp?
What do you mean? A wrong code point or a missing glyph?
Actually I have no idea how emacs juggles fonts.
I installed
2008/12/17 Bertalan Fodor lilypondt...@organum.hu:
Once a French conductor sang the melody a a gis a g fis g with the words
la la sol la sol fa sol. It was very funny.
Then you could die of laughing if you come to any of the orchestras,
music schools or conservatoires in Spain...
--
I installed unifont and that fixed it for GEdit, but in emacs it
even removed sharp and flat to display little boxes.
Then I installed emacs-snapshot (with xft backend), sharp and flat
are back, but none from the music block starting at 0x1d12a shows.
Hmm. I don't know either. Maybe a
No it, can't be. Think of Bb H in german etc.
Graham Percival wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 02:48:43PM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 13:07 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Hans Aberg:
You need a font, though, and perhaps a special key map, too.
Now
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 05:58 uur [tijdzone -0800], schreef Graham
Percival:
Could this be an independant language? I don't see why it's
stuffed into ly/nederlands.ly (other than this being the default).
Could it be ly/utf8.ly instead?
So it should be, left as an excercise to
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 15:58 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Hans Aberg:
On 16 Dec 2008, at 14:48, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16 g♯( a g♯ f♯♯ g♯ c♯ e d♯ c♯ d♯ c♯ b♯ c♯ e
g♯)
You need a font, though, and perhaps a special key map, too.
Now that's a
But then why not use a font like this:
http://www.icogitate.com/~ergosum/fonts/musicfonts.htm
Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 15:58 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Hans Aberg:
On 16 Dec 2008, at 14:48, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16
On 12/16/08 8:58 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen janneke-l...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 15:58 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Hans Aberg:
On 16 Dec 2008, at 14:48, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16 g♯( a g♯ f♯♯ g♯ c♯ e d♯ c♯ d♯ c♯ b♯ c♯ e
g♯)
You
On 16 Dec 2008, at 05:58, Mark Polesky wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16 g♯( a g♯ f♯♯ g♯ c♯ e d♯ c♯ d♯ c♯ b♯ c♯ e
g♯)
You need a font, though, and perhaps a special key map, too.
Now that's a fun idea. It even works!
Well, I then suggest to be consequent, using
On 16 Dec 2008, at 05:58, Mark Polesky wrote:
English uses the fewest keystrokes.
Computer languages no more attempt to minimize the number of
keystrokes, as code tends to be unreadable.
For comparison,
here's a measure from Chopin's Fantasie-impromptu:
English:
r16 gs( a gs fss gs cs
Hi Carl,
I think that, even though accidentals come before the note in musical
output, in the text stream g# is much more readable than #g.
Agreed — at least in English, one says (i.e., reads) g sharp not
sharp g.
Best,
Kieren.
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On 16 Dec 2008, at 14:48, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16 g♯( a g♯ f♯♯ g♯ c♯ e d♯ c♯ d♯ c♯ b♯ c♯ e
g♯)
You need a font, though, and perhaps a special key map, too.
Now that's a fun idea. It even works!
Thank you. I think it increases readability, too.
On 16 Dec 2008, at 15:06, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Well, I then suggest to be consequent, using the following Unicode
characters instead of ♯♯ and ♭♭:
U+1D12A MUSICAL SYMBOL DOUBLE SHARP
U+1D12B MUSICAL SYMBOL DOUBLE FLAT
Sure, only that both should possible to use, in Western music
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 02:48:43PM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 13:07 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Hans Aberg:
You need a font, though, and perhaps a special key map, too.
Now that's a fun idea. It even works!
Could this be an independant language? I don't see
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote:
Why is Dutch the default language for note-entry?
English uses the fewest keystrokes. For comparison,
here's a measure from Chopin's Fantasie-impromptu:
because we are Dutch, and because we think the Dutch are better in
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 13:07 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Hans Aberg:
On 16 Dec 2008, at 05:58, Mark Polesky wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16 g♯( a g♯ f♯♯ g♯ c♯ e d♯ c♯ d♯ c♯ b♯ c♯ e
g♯)
You need a font, though, and perhaps a special key map, too.
Now that's a fun idea.
Le 16.12.2008 17:20, Carl D. Sorensen disait :
On 12/16/08 8:58 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen janneke-l...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op dinsdag 16-12-2008 om 15:58 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Hans Aberg:
On 16 Dec 2008, at 14:48, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
You might call for using Unicode:
r16 g♯( a g♯
Hi,
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote:
Why is Dutch the default language for note-entry? English uses the
fewest keystrokes. For comparison, here's a measure from Chopin's
Fantasie-impromptu:
because
I would have beaten the the world record of the 100m escaping out of
the music school if I would have had to say double bémol sol.
Nevertheless it is a matter of vocal cords, I still sing sol and not
fa...
Once a French conductor sang the melody a a gis a g fis g with the
words la la sol
Mark Polesky wrote:
Why is Dutch the default language for note-entry?
Because the originators of LilyPond are Dutch.
-David
English uses the fewest keystrokes. For comparison,
here's a measure from Chopin's Fantasie-impromptu:
English:
r16 gs( a gs fss gs cs e ds cs ds cs bs cs e gs)
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