Re: [Linux-HA] clean shutdown procedure?

2013-04-22 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Dejan Muhamedagic writes: > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 08:01:04AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > >> Is there a recommended method for taking a cluster out of service >> cleanly? > > If you don't want you resources to failover, just stop them, either > one by one (if there are not so many) or set the "st

[Linux-HA] Antw: Re: clean shutdown procedure?

2013-04-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Greg Woods schrieb am 22.04.2013 um 17:50 in Nachricht <1366645842.4475.4.ca...@mongoliad.scd.ucar.edu>: > On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 10:12 +1000, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > > On Saturday, April 20, 2013, Greg Woods wrote: > > Often one of the > > > nodes gets stuck at "Stopping HA Services" > > > >

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: When mirroring is a CPU-intensive task, something must be wrong...

2013-04-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lars Marowsky-Bree schrieb am 22.04.2013 um 16:46 in >>> Nachricht <20130422144612.gn9...@suse.de>: > On 2013-04-22T15:18:20, Ulrich Windl > wrote: > > > That's where OCFS2 comes in: When hosting Xen-VM images, multiple (we just > use the trivial two-node cluster) hosts may acess one LV (

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: When mirroring is a CPU-intensive task, something must be wrong...

2013-04-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Michael Brookhuis schrieb am 22.04.2013 um 16:35 >>> in Nachricht <51754aa7.7040...@googlemail.com>: [...] > Hi Ulrich. > > Little surprised. You have been informed that with SLES11SP3 (HAE), > "lvcreate --mirrorlog mirrored"" will be available. > > Michael Hi! So far all my attempts (Go

Re: [Linux-HA] clean shutdown procedure?

2013-04-22 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On 23/04/2013, at 1:50 AM, Greg Woods wrote: > On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 10:12 +1000, Andrew Beekhof wrote: >> On Saturday, April 20, 2013, Greg Woods wrote: >> Often one of the >>> nodes gets stuck at "Stopping HA Services" >> >> >> That means pacemaker is waiting for one of your resources to sto

Re: [Linux-HA] clean shutdown procedure?

2013-04-22 Thread Dejan Muhamedagic
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:50:42AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 10:12 +1000, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > > On Saturday, April 20, 2013, Greg Woods wrote: > > Often one of the > > > nodes gets stuck at "Stopping HA Services" > > > > > > That means pacemaker is waiting for one of y

Re: [Linux-HA] clean shutdown procedure?

2013-04-22 Thread Andreas Mock
Hi Greg, a common and often overlooked reason is to set a feasible stop action timeout value. If this value is too small than the stop actions times out which leads to node stonithing. Look at resources which might take a long time to stop properly (even when under load). Only one example: dismou

Re: [Linux-HA] clean shutdown procedure?

2013-04-22 Thread Greg Woods
On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 10:12 +1000, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > On Saturday, April 20, 2013, Greg Woods wrote: > Often one of the > > nodes gets stuck at "Stopping HA Services" > > > That means pacemaker is waiting for one of your resources to stop. > Do you have anything that would take a long time

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: When mirroring is a CPU-intensive task, something must be wrong...

2013-04-22 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-04-22T15:18:20, Ulrich Windl wrote: > That's where OCFS2 comes in: When hosting Xen-VM images, multiple (we just > use the trivial two-node cluster) hosts may acess one LV (i.e.: one > filesystem), while access (if OCFS2 does allocate the data in big extents) to > specific areas is mos

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: When mirroring is a CPU-intensive task, something must be wrong...

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Brookhuis
Op 4/22/2013 3:18 PM, Ulrich Windl schreef: Lars Marowsky-Bree schrieb am 22.04.2013 um 13:12 in Nachricht > <20130422111205.gd9...@suse.de>: > > [...] >>> Yes, I had complained about the massive logging of cLVM (which showed that >> it's communication quite a lot (I'd say: way too much

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: Is CLVM really needed in an active/passive cluster?

2013-04-22 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-04-22T15:30:34, Ulrich Windl wrote: > There's nothing wrong with Linux; I only have a problem if products of "beta" > quality are shipped as enterprise solutions. Enterprise customers want to USE > the software, not debug it... You can use it, but the constraints are not necessarily re

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: Is CLVM really needed in an active/passive cluster?

2013-04-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lars Marowsky-Bree schrieb am 22.04.2013 um 13:14 in >>> Nachricht <20130422111402.ge9...@suse.de>: > On 2013-04-22T12:13:50, Ulrich Windl > wrote: > > > > In that thread I can see that cLVM does not support snapshot. There is > > Oops! I didn't know that. Maybe be cLVM (Clustered LVM) s

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: When mirroring is a CPU-intensive task, something must be wrong...

2013-04-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Lars Marowsky-Bree schrieb am 22.04.2013 um 13:12 in >>> Nachricht <20130422111205.gd9...@suse.de>: [...] > > Yes, I had complained about the massive logging of cLVM (which showed that > it's communication quite a lot (I'd say: way too much)), and the solution > being applied seems to be d

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: Is CLVM really needed in an active/passive cluster?

2013-04-22 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-04-22T12:13:50, Ulrich Windl wrote: > > In that thread I can see that cLVM does not support snapshot. There is > Oops! I didn't know that. Maybe be cLVM (Clustered LVM) should be renamed to > lLVM (less LVM)... ;-) cLVM2 doesn't support snapshots because the snapshot format is not we

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: When mirroring is a CPU-intensive task, something must be wrong...

2013-04-22 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-04-22T08:47:26, Ulrich Windl wrote: > > They're not in "D" because they are not waiting on disk IO, but have > > a lot of network IO and data structure maintenance to handle. > Interesting: While flooding a Gb network, the acieved mirroring rate is only > about 60MB/s. But we are not mir

Re: [Linux-HA] Is CLVM really needed in an active/passive cluster?

2013-04-22 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2013-04-22T11:14:14, "Angel L. Mateo" wrote: > The problem I have is that I have firstly configured the cluster with > CLVM, but with this I can't create snapshots of my volumes, which is > required for backups. > > But is this CLVM really necessary? Or it is enough to configure

[Linux-HA] Antw: Re: Is CLVM really needed in an active/passive cluster?

2013-04-22 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> "Angel L. Mateo" schrieb am 22.04.2013 um 11:55 in Nachricht <51750923.7040...@um.es>: > El 22/04/13 11:20, emmanuel segura escribió: > > Hello Angel > > > > In this thread > > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.release.rhel5/6395 you can > > find the answer to your question > > >

Re: [Linux-HA] Is CLVM really needed in an active/passive cluster?

2013-04-22 Thread Angel L. Mateo
El 22/04/13 11:20, emmanuel segura escribió: > Hello Angel > > In this thread > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.release.rhel5/6395 you can > find the answer to your question > In that thread I can see that cLVM does not support snapshot. There is a link pointing to dd as a wo

Re: [Linux-HA] Is CLVM really needed in an active/passive cluster?

2013-04-22 Thread emmanuel segura
Hello Angel In this thread http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.release.rhel5/6395 you can find the answer to your question Thanks 2013/4/22 Angel L. Mateo > Hello, > > I'm deploying a clustered pop/imap server with mailboxes stored in > a > SAN connected with fibre channel.

[Linux-HA] Is CLVM really needed in an active/passive cluster?

2013-04-22 Thread Angel L. Mateo
Hello, I'm deploying a clustered pop/imap server with mailboxes stored in a SAN connected with fibre channel. The problem I have is that I have firstly configured the cluster with CLVM, but with this I can't create snapshots of my volumes, which is required for backups.

Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: When mirroring is a CPU-intensive task, something must be wrong...

2013-04-22 Thread Ciro Iriarte
2013/4/22 Ulrich Windl : Lars Marowsky-Bree schrieb am 19.04.2013 um 18:46 in Nachricht > <20130419164622.gc1...@suse.de>: >> On 2013-04-19T16:27:14, Ulrich Windl >> wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > Using OCFS2 on top of a cLVM-mirrored LV is an absolute no-go for SLES11 >> > SP2: >>