Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-11-18 Thread Robin Humble
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 01:56:53PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: >On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 08:16 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: >> Thoughts: >> 1) I absolutely agree that NFS is far more prominent and useful than any >> network block device, at the present time. >> >> 2) Nonetheless, swap over NFS is a

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-11-02 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > 2) Nonetheless, swap over NFS is a pretty rare case. I view this work > > as interesting, but I really don't see a huge need, for swapping over > > NBD or swapping over NFS. I tend to think swapping to a remote resource > > starts to approach "migration" rather than merely swapping.

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Evgeniy Polyakov
Hi. On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:54:02AM -0400, Mike Snitzer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Trouble with that part is that we don't have any sane network block > > devices atm, NBD is utter crap, and iSCSI is too complex to be called > > sane. > > > > Maybe Evgeniy's Distributed storage thingy woul

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Mike Snitzer
On 10/31/07, Peter Zijlstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 08:50 +, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:37:53PM -0700, David Miller wrote: > > > Don't be misled. Swapping over NFS is just a scarecrow for the > > > seemingly real impetus behind these chan

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Byron Stanoszek
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Nick Piggin wrote: On Wednesday 31 October 2007 15:37, David Miller wrote: From: Nick Piggin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:26:32 +1100 Is it really worth all the added complexity of making swap over NFS files work, given that you could use a network block

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Gregory Haskins
Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > But please, people who want this (I'm sure some of you are reading) do > speak up. I'm just the motivated corporate drone implementing the > feature :-) FWIW, I could have used a "swap to network technology X" like system at my last job. We were building a large networ

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
Em Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 01:56:53PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra escreveu: > On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 08:16 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > Thoughts: > > > > 1) I absolutely agree that NFS is far more prominent and useful than any > > network block device, at the present time. > > > > > > 2) Nonetheless, sw

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Peter Zijlstra
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 08:16 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Thoughts: > > 1) I absolutely agree that NFS is far more prominent and useful than any > network block device, at the present time. > > > 2) Nonetheless, swap over NFS is a pretty rare case. I view this work > as interesting, but I reall

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Jeff Garzik
Thoughts: 1) I absolutely agree that NFS is far more prominent and useful than any network block device, at the present time. 2) Nonetheless, swap over NFS is a pretty rare case. I view this work as interesting, but I really don't see a huge need, for swapping over NBD or swapping over NFS

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Peter Zijlstra
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 14:26 +1100, Nick Piggin wrote: > On Wednesday 31 October 2007 03:04, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Another posting of the full swap over NFS series. > > Hi, > > Is it really worth all the added complexity of making swap > over NFS files work, given that you could us

Re: NBD was Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Peter Zijlstra
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 12:18 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > > > > So please get the VM bits for swap over network blockdevices in first, > > > > Trouble with that part is that we don't have any sane network block > > devices atm, NBD is utter crap, and iSCSI is too complex to be called > > san

NBD was Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > So please get the VM bits for swap over network blockdevices in first, > > Trouble with that part is that we don't have any sane network block > devices atm, NBD is utter crap, and iSCSI is too complex to be called > sane. Hey, NBD was designed to be _simple_. And I think it works okay i

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Peter Zijlstra
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 08:50 +, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:37:53PM -0700, David Miller wrote: > > Don't be misled. Swapping over NFS is just a scarecrow for the > > seemingly real impetus behind these changes which is network storage > > stuff like iSCSI. > > So can

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Peter Zijlstra
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 21:37 -0700, David Miller wrote: > From: Nick Piggin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:26:32 +1100 > > > Is it really worth all the added complexity of making swap > > over NFS files work, given that you could use a network block > > device instead? > > Don't b

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-31 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:37:53PM -0700, David Miller wrote: > Don't be misled. Swapping over NFS is just a scarecrow for the > seemingly real impetus behind these changes which is network storage > stuff like iSCSI. So can we please do swap over network storage only first? All these VM bits lo

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-30 Thread Nick Piggin
On Wednesday 31 October 2007 15:37, David Miller wrote: > From: Nick Piggin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:26:32 +1100 > > > Is it really worth all the added complexity of making swap > > over NFS files work, given that you could use a network block > > device instead? > > Don't be

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-30 Thread David Miller
From: Nick Piggin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:26:32 +1100 > Is it really worth all the added complexity of making swap > over NFS files work, given that you could use a network block > device instead? Don't be misled. Swapping over NFS is just a scarecrow for the seemingly real

Re: [PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-30 Thread Nick Piggin
On Wednesday 31 October 2007 03:04, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > Hi, > > Another posting of the full swap over NFS series. Hi, Is it really worth all the added complexity of making swap over NFS files work, given that you could use a network block device instead? Also, have you ensured that page_file

[PATCH 00/33] Swap over NFS -v14

2007-10-30 Thread Peter Zijlstra
Hi, Another posting of the full swap over NFS series. [ I tried just posting the first part last time around, but that just gets more confusion by lack of a general picture ] [ patches against 2.6.23-mm1, also to be found online at: http://programming.kicks-ass.net/kernel-patches/vm_deadlo