Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Michael Rawson
Question-probably naive, but anyway- why don't we keep an 'old kernel' package for those with older CPUs? I don't see that it would need maintenance-that's just what it is-dead weight for those who need really old machnes to work. Tell me if I'm wrong. But I vote to ditch PAE with th default

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Phill Whiteside
And while we examine the fluff in our belly buttons. Can I ask once again that instead of grieving over non-pae chipsets that we instead allow our meager resources to keep 10.04 alive? This removes the issue of non-pae completely and just needs a simple edit to the wiki about the dropping of

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Gabriel Salles
*As 10.04 was based on a LTS kernel for servers it has a life span of 5 years. We can then re address the problem in 2015 :)* * * If we cannot solve this now, I agree to re address the problem. But if we can find the solution on the next days, it is better. *Maybe have two kernels in the defult

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
I would like to do some tests with the latest ubuntu on my old amd-k6 (wich runs Lubuntu 10.04 perfectly) but support for that CPU it's been dropped :( Then again, it's NOT only for the people who have a voice here: it's the users that have one of those pc wich want to use it and CAN'T It's a

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Roadmap: Bugs to fix before pcmanfm 1.0 release.

2011-11-19 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2011-11-18 20:49, PCMan wrote: I just took hours and cleaned up the bug tracker of pcmanfm and did some triage for all of the opened bugs today. \o/ I hope this was not because you hate yourself or something. That sounds super boring and super

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Benny Hult
I really cant see why you're all (except dear JM ;) crying after obsolete hardware. If this kind of decissions are never made, People will never recycle these power hungry computers with more decent ones. What I've been keeping eye on Ubuntu, it has lost support for older hardware around 9.04.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Jared Norris
On 20 November 2011 00:38, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to do some tests with the latest ubuntu on my old amd-k6 (wich runs Lubuntu 10.04 perfectly) but support for that CPU it's been dropped :( Then again, it's NOT only for the people who have a voice here:

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Roadmap: Bugs to fix before pcmanfm 1.0 release.

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 03:49:58 +0800 PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: I just took hours and cleaned up the bug tracker of pcmanfm and did some triage for all of the opened bugs today. Here are the remaining ones I'm going to fix for 1.0 release.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Roadmap: Bugs to fix before pcmanfm 1.0 release.

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:48:18 +0100 Martin Bagge / brother brot...@bsnet.se wrote: Lubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule (draft!?) The next Ubuntu release is a LTS, long term commitment and all that. February 16 at 21:00 UTC is the freeze, bugs and minor changes are

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 01:25:16 +0800 PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to keep an unofficial kernel for old abandoned cpus in lubuntu ppa, if there are people willing to maintain it? No, it's too complex to properly maintain a kernel. Regards, Julien Lavergne

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:10:12 -0800 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: *If* this proposed change makes it impractical to run on a Pentium II, we need to stand up and be counted. If (as I suspect) it only prevents use on Pentium I, really old AMD, VIA C3 and Geode, then ... that's a

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:43:32 +1000 Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae would not give any output if the CPUs weren't

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:47:19 -0800 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: We already told the community we would support Lubuntu 10.04 as an LTS, so we should keep that commitment (though I don't think we are doing a very good job of it, to be honest!). But we made a commitment, so we