Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-05 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 04/06/12 19:06 did gyre and gimble: > I value(d) this option and think that replacing it with whatever > mechanism is necessary would be an asset to Mageia, whereas I now view > it's lack of function as a loss. Did you check what I wrote tho'? Did you try conf

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-04 Thread Richard Couture
I'm in full agreement, however the point of my initial post was not to obtain an evaluation of the merits of being able to, as part of the install as was the case in versions previous to system D, but to ask if a mechanism, providing the same function as was previously available, through msec o

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-04 Thread Buchan Milne
On Sunday, 3 June 2012 17:52:47 Colin Guthrie wrote: > On the whole, this kind of "security" is basically bullshit anyway. You can't make that assessment without understanding the rest of the security environment. > It > might make things a tiny bit harder, but if you can get into the > bootload

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 03/06/12 21:54 did gyre and gimble: > Sander Lepik wrote: >> 03.06.2012 20:49, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas: >>> Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from "5" to "3", is much easier >>> to remember than changing a symlink to > "/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.t

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 03/06/12 18:49 did gyre and gimble: > On Sunday 03 June 2012 19:09, Felix Miata wrote: >> On 2012/06/03 17:46 (GMT+0100) Colin Guthrie composed: >> > /etc/inittab is no longer used or read. >>> For real men (and women), we just change the >>> /etc/systemd

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread David Walser
Sander Lepik wrote: > 03.06.2012 20:49, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas: >> Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from "5" to "3", is much easier >> to remember than changing a symlink to "/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target", especially when explaning this to a not so advanced user over the pho

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread AL13N
Op zondag 3 juni 2012 20:57:41 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: > AL13N wrote earlier: > > For some of you, stuff you've known for ages is worthless now and you go > > back to being a noob (for this sort of thing) and will have to relearn a > > different way. > > The change here is new and needs a differ

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
AL13N wrote earlier: > For some of you, stuff you've known for ages is worthless now and you go back > to being a noob (for this sort of thing) and will have to relearn a different > way. The change here is new and needs a different way, yes. Nothing against that. But the same result has been reac

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Luca Olivetti
Al 03/06/12 20:16, En/na AL13N ha escrit: > truth of the matter is that old stuff inevitably gets historical baggage and > different is not necessarily bad. It is when it doesn't work or if you need a master's degree to get it working (like, e.g. pulseaudio). I didn't try systemd yet (apart fro

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Sander Lepik
03.06.2012 20:49, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas: > Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from "5" to "3", is much easier > to remember than changing a symlink to > "/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target", especially when explaning this to a > not so advanced user over the phone, who doesn't have

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Sunday 03 June 2012 20:16, AL13N wrote: > it's not even a change, it's systemd vs sysvinit. That may be so, but it is still a change. > if you don't like it, you can still switch back to sysvinit, I don't have to like it to use it. :-)= -- Johnny A. Solbu PGP key ID: 0xFA687324 signature

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread AL13N
Op zondag 3 juni 2012 18:49:04 schreef Johnny A. Solbu: [...] > I agree with Felix, this is not a good change. > I'm sure there is a perfectly valid ans sound reason for changig it, but > there's a difference in changing it for the better and changing it for the > worse. This is a bad change. [...]

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Sunday 03 June 2012 19:09, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2012/06/03 17:46 (GMT+0100) Colin Guthrie composed: > > >>> /etc/inittab is no longer used or read. > > For real men (and women), we just change the > > /etc/systemd/system/default.target symlink to point at whatever target > > we want to use

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/06/03 17:46 (GMT+0100) Colin Guthrie composed: /etc/inittab is no longer used or read. For single user mode now-a-days we boot to rescue.target (this is done automatically if you just put a 1 at the end of the kernel command line to support "runlevel 1"). where do I change ini

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie : > 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 03/06/12 17:12 did gyre and gimble: >> 2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie : >>> 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble: I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the level of

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 03/06/12 17:12 did gyre and gimble: > 2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie : >> 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble: >>> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the >>> level of security as HIGH, that I am pe

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie : > 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble: >> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the >> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in >> Linux Single mode without a challenge passwo

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble: > I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the > level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in > Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO >

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread AL13N
Op zondag 3 juni 2012 15:17:28 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: [...] > > it's Anne's mail with subject: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated > > with proper design > > Ok, I received that. Conclusion: > My mail client (Googlemail online) does not honor references, splits > threads by subject only.

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 AL13N : > Op zondag 3 juni 2012 14:04:07 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: >> 2012/6/3 Jani Välimaa : >> > On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote: >> >> I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and >> >> unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread AL13N
Op zondag 3 juni 2012 14:04:07 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: > 2012/6/3 Jani Välimaa : > > On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote: > >> I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and > >> unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing > >> the point

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 Jani Välimaa : > On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote: >> I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and >> unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing >> the point? >> > > New and unique subject isn't always enough. There's still

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Jani Välimaa
On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote: > I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and > unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing > the point? > New and unique subject isn't always enough. There's still some headers from message which

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Manuel Hiebel
Le 03/06/2012 13:40, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing the > point? I don't see a hijacked thread either. Replaying on a different thread instead of creating a new one.

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/6/3 Richard Couture : > I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and > unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing the > point? I don't see a hijacked thread either. -- wobo > > > Richard > > > On 06/03/2012 06:30 AM, Jani Välimaa wrot

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Richard Couture
I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing the point? Richard On 06/03/2012 06:30 AM, Jani Välimaa wrote: On 03.06.2012 14:27, Richard Couture wrote: I notice that when, at the end of the i

Re: [Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature

2012-06-03 Thread Jani Välimaa
On 03.06.2012 14:27, Richard Couture wrote: > I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the > level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in > Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO > undesirable, behavior from pr