earn to program in Python,
this is not a mailing list to ask reference questions about Python
programming, etc
For those kinds of things, you need to be looking at other mailing
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> Do you think there is an easier way to do these cleanings? A sort of
> webmail interface?
Mailman does not currently have any such tools, no.
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ver, I don't know of any such tools you could use to edit
the file locally which would meet the necessary requirements, other
than the exact same tools you could already use to edit the file
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find out what tools
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emacs or vim,
or if you download the file to your local machine and edit it there
with a similar program and then re-upload.
Either way, you're going to need an editor that can handle lines of
arbitrary length, and binary content. Relatively few editors handle
either or both of those thin
ny other solution that does not
enforce a good hashed directory scheme that is kept invisible to the
higher-level applications.
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Can we at least use a hashed mail directory solution that doesn't
have massive scalability problems?
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/spf.html>.
Besides, Windows Live insists on SenderID, not SPF. You should do
your homework.
Either way, if Windows Live Hotmail wants to isolate themselves from
the rest of the world as a result of a technology like this, then
they will get what they deserve.
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are functionally identical
to operating a mailing list.
> Not until we can provide an alternative that looks like it
> might work.
They've got the money. Let them pay to come up with something that
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roken in the general case. Sure,
there are specific cases where sites like BankOfAmerica.com can use
them (and to everyone's benefit), but they're too easy to set up
incorrectly (on both sides), and they break too many other parts of
how e-mail is supposed to work.
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just hit the "Report as Spam" button when they are actually getting
mail that they really did ask for, but they're just being stupid.
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nd failed, for the same reason. Do some
Googling on the term "pgpsendmail".
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GoodMail, and some require service with any of several other such
services.
No one can do all of these things, and many people find it difficult
enough to do just one or two. This is turning into a situation worse
than TMDA, where the recipient site can't be bothered to do any real
w
interface. Again, your
hosting provider needs to be willing and able to do that, otherwise
they shouldn't be offering the service at all.
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age, and isn't going to handle well the
inbound aliases issue for Mailman -- much like using Exchange as your
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> membership administration section. But I found that I still couldn't get the
> posts I sent. Can someone tell me why?
See FAQ 2.8.
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echnical
"does it work" side, and seems to scale much better, too.
Personally, I don't like any kind of appliance for this role, but if
you have to have an appliance, Ironport seems like it would be a much
better choice than Barracuda.
IMO, people who use Barracuda get
On 2/5/08, Thomas J Casey wrote:
> In an email from Brad Knowles, he stated: If they are not subscribers, "then
> they need to be on the whitelist." But I cannot find a whitelist anywhere.
Go to the web mail admin interface for your list. Go to the "Privacy
options.
dation, if the recipient in question is not local to your network
-- that could easily be mistaken by remote sites for a spammer trying
to verify his mailing list.
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recommend using services like this, if you don't have the ability to
do those sorts of things in-house.
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services but these problems are
> causing us more problems then Mailman is worth to us.
Once you get things set up, I think you'll be fine. There's just
some minor issues you're not used to, at least partly because of the
other software you've been using until now.
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> what actually gets implemented. Brad Knowles is just channelling the
> main developers,
I wouldn't say that I was channeling them. I would say that I'm
trying to do what I can to support them and to allow them to spend
what little time they have on the
nd as much
time as they can on their "real" work as far as the project is
concerned.
Feel free to check out my LinkedIn profile (URL below) if you want to
get some idea of my previous experience in this field.
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n one of the core developers can take a look at that
code and decide whether or not to actually incorporate that into a
future version of Mailman.
Personally, I think we have much higher priorities elsewhere, but
then I don't assign tasks to guys like Mark Sapiro, Tokio Kikuchi, or
Barry
er on the list of priorities, and we have very limited resources
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> צ×ÔÏÒÏË 29 Ó¦ÞÅÎØ 2008 05:24 ÐÏ, Stephen J. Turnbull
> ÷É ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌÉ:
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rt to validate
someone else's code, albeit somewhat less than writing it yourself.
I don't see any other possible options as far as the Mailman project
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On Jan 29, 2008, at 11:17 AM, "Mikhail T."
Google does not provide all the storage for all the content in
question, although they may have a cache of it.
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On Jan 29, 2008, at 1:21 AM, "Stephen J. Turnbull"
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> Brad Knowles writ
its for the same message,
and this is precisely what any proper search engine should do.
De-duplication at this level is absolutely the worst thing you could
do -- at least by default, although this could potentially be an
alternative that the search engine author could offer as an
alternativ
although they might be willing to
provide that feature to customers who demand the option.
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On 1/28/08, Wanjiku Maina wrote:
> Hi does how does openldap work with mailman?
The same as any other database. Create a flat file and use "sync_members".
See Barry Finkel's response on this to Zbigniew Szalbot.
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posting there, I would encourage you to check
their archives, because I'm sure that this has come up hundreds or
thousands of times before.
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Note that procmail should never be part of that pipeline.
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o them without their explicit
confirmation, you're still a spammer.
The Direct Marketing Association says that they just want one bite of
your apple, no more. But when you've got a billion people taking
just one bite each out of your apple, do you honestly think you're
going to h
ake any and all actions I can to terminate
their electronic existence with extreme prejudice.
However, before I start the New Dresden Firestorm, I will do
everything I can to make sure that they really are spammers and not
just horribly misguided.
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subscribers and use the database to ensure that there aren't any
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up.
These are problems that can only be resolved by your site
administrator. If they are not being responsive to you, then I'd
suggest that you might want to find a different hosting provider/site
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ing completion of translation to
the many different languages we support).
Either way, I'd suggest installing from the source tarballs to see if
that fixes the problems.
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<http://www.list.org/docs.html>. From the sound of it, you need to
start with the Site Administrator documentation, particularly section
6.1 at <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html>.
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duplicate messages. With luck, it won't be too hard to figure out
where the duplication is occurring.
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ovide an archive of known
valid e-mail addresses which spammers can make good use of, so you'll
want to make sure that your archives are private and that your list
is not advertised. Otherwise, you've just opened up all the posters
to your list to getting even more spam than they
e going to be involved in translations, the best
place to start is
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Internationalization>. You'll be
guided to the mailman-i18n mailing list, the list of current language
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e able to see that the changes you've made have had
the proper effect, and then you can contribute your changes to the
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be necessary so that
the translation process is made easier and less error-prone.
Ask not what the Mailman project can do for you. Ask what you can do
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> without testing. Hope it really works. "What could go wrong?"
No, you haven't totally rewritten anything, except maybe your own
memory of how you magically improve anything you touch.
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as Mailman properly
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> Is there any way I can temporarily intercept these for troubleshooting?
> I'd just like to see some of the NDRs.
It's all in your aliases. Just change your aliases for the
appropriate "-bounces" address to go somewhere els
ng for translations to other languages to be completed).
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anslations updated for other languages. This
is an ideal opportunity for you to help yourself as well as to help
others.
Or, you could just keep complaining.
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people who have been involved in producing all the language
translations so far.
You're welcome to join the translation team, if you like.
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services for any list hosted at python.org, but I have not pushed
that issue. At least, not yet.
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On 1/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does one really need root privileges to install mailman?
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> will be removed in 2.1.10.
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in web admin page for your list, type
in a different address in the second field, the
one for the listowner address(es), then hit the
"Submit Your Changes" button at the bottom of the
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d doesn't play particularly well with non-djb code. What we've
been able to figure out for integration with qmail is found in the
Mailman documentation, although you may find some more tidbits in the
archives.
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m I've found so far that does
work is to moderate (or discard or reject) postings from
non-subscribers, and to moderate new subscribers by default. Once
they prove they are human beings and capable posting reasonably
on-topic messages to the list, you can clear their moderation bit.
No
On 1/16/08, Liss wrote:
> I've finally got my mailing list up and running, but no matter what I do,
> every single msg comes with a .txt attachment. I cant figure out how to shut
> it off!
Search the FAQ Wizard for "footer".
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> A quick question on how to implement SpamAssasin with Mailman. How? >:}
Quick answer -- don't. Do it in your MTA instead.
Long answer -- see the FAQ Wizard.
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list if I need to...
FAQ 4.48 at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp>
has more information about editing the templates and what you need to
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o talk to your web
hosting company and get them to go through that process with you. If
you can't get them to do that, then there's nothing more we can do to
help you.
See also FAQ 6.11 at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.
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can copy to /usr/local/mailman/lists//en/, and then edit it
locally in that directory.
If you don't have privileged site admin access to the server where
Mailman is installed and running, then you'll need to ask your site
admin to do this on your behalf.
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configuration file or some configuration option somewhere. Without
more information, it's going to be impossible to tell.
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process outlined in the Mailman FAQ Wizard
whereby a moderator can modify a message before it is posted to the
list, but as I recall that's a pretty lengthy and painful process.
I'm not aware of any other options in this case.
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ing the command "hostname" at the command-line prompt on the
machine. Also check your MTA configuration to make sure that this is
not being over-ridden.
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'home.bellsouth.net'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'home.bellsouth.net'
If you made these changes af
nswers. I'm using mailman 2.1.8-0.FC4.1
Search the FAQ Wizard for "announce".
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and how can I sort it out.
Why not just go to the membership page and search for the incorrect
domain name? That should pull up the member's address information,
which you can then correct.
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On 1/9/08, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> It seems that is not what it is using for the RCPT TO.
RCPT TO is a recipient address. Look through the list of subscribers
for your list and make sure that they are all correctly formed and
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fic score so it never even gets
> moderated. Any clues on how to accomplish this?
This kind of stuff needs to be done in the MTA, not Mailman.
That said, search the FAQ Wizard at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> for "spam".
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> I noticed the mail processing is slow and sometimes they are notprocessed
> at all
Search the Mailman FAQ Wizard at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> for words like
"performance" and "troubleshoot".
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Dennis Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Has
an. What you get in the logs is
what you get in the logs.
You're free to go in and modify the source code to add more logging
output, however.
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provide any
assistance to you, we would need to know what is showing up in all
your various Mailman and MTA logs, especially regarding the startup
process.
Make sure to also check out the other FAQ Wizard entries that are
referenced at the top of FAQ 4.7
en just not approving any requests?
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tten any spam that has
gotten through your filters and sent out via your mailing list is not
necessarily due to the fact that you have a double opt-in list,
although this is probably one factor to consider.
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probably can't make any of the necessary
changes himself, or at the very least he's going to have to do a lot
more work to properly integrate that with Plesk -- I've worked on
sites where they upgraded Mailman while keeping Plesk, and I can tell
you that it was one of the worst nightm
e version of Mailman
you're running, but then this gets back to point #1 above.
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up man(1) command, because it should be
smart enough to look at date/time stamps of the source versus the
output text files, and if the source is newer then it should
re-generate the output text file.
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I also tend to run lists where subscription has to be approved by the
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time and ID. How can this be fixed if I'm using cpanel.
There is nothing in Mailman that should act in this manner.
Talk to your provider, and see FAQ 6.11 at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.
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instructions, because they may have made changes to where things are
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> What exactly is this mailman distribution group used for? Who should
> really be a member of the group?
If you search the FAQ Wizard for "site-wide", you should be led to
FAQ 4.25 at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=fa
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t is run by a web service provider.
The log is on the server. None of the Mailman logs are available via
the web. You need to get your service provider to look at the logs
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in how they generate their responses, etc
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On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tonya Robison wrote:
>
>> I received an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] notifying me
>
That will break on some older systems. Since there is a mutual
incompatibility problem here, we need to give people an easy way to
select between the two options, depending on their OS.
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On Jan 3, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Mark Sapiro &
bvious and easier to take the
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On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Steve Burling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Over the holiday, I took the opportunity to do a long-overdue
> hardware and
> OS upgrade of
e a real problem.
> Please advice, is there any way that I can make these cross posts updated
> automatically.
There is nothing inside of Mailman that can help you in this regard.
You need OS-level features, like cron. Without that, you're hosed.
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OS-specific questions you may have.
> I am a new person in this team and seems that someone who had access to my
> machine has troubled it.
That's possible, so you should first ask the other people on your
team if anyone has messed with your cron jobs.
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