Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-06 Thread greg via Mercedes
IMO there are many factors impacting salmon runs. Logging roads were placed adjacent to creeks in order to take advantage of the relatively level runs, multiplying the silting and polluting of the creeks. Loss of creekside vegetation causes warming of the water, which along with the silt and po

Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-06 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Yes we all thought we knew the answers. But none of them really seemed controllable until this one. E.g. the logging clearcut runoff, or Japanese purse seiners. On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 1:15 AM Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: > NOAA finally did a study to learn why the salmon seemed to have crashed

Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-06 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
NOAA finally did a study to learn why the salmon seemed to have crashed and if all the Columbia river and Snake dams were the cause. Same theory with the Rouge river as well. Turned out that the populations were declining because there were too many wild salmon getting caught commercially and

Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-06 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
It has more to do with Seattle being a liberal nut zone where panic and hysteria about any manner of perceived threat to wildlife and human activities must be persecuted with Greenpeace level zeal. There was massive outcry a few years ago that people were peeing too much caffeine into Puget So

Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-05 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>Now if only we can figure out what random chemical is killing all the bees... My next door neighbor has hives and has had issues with mites over the years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varroa_destructor The "murder hornets" found earlier this year in Washington state also kill off bee colo

Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-05 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
I used to catch them with my mom's dad in Oregon, until the population crashed and they shut the sport fishery down. So we have been speculating about why that happened in my family for 30 years or so. If this is true, it is fantastic news for fishermen. Now if only we can figure out what random

Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-05 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes the right question to ask Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 7:32 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > How is poisonous tire residue liberal? Non-sequitur. They just need to > either find a different chemical to delay the inevitable hardening of the > rubber or let the tires dry

Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-05 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Yes it's such a problem that it has been known and studied for years and the salmon keep coming back. More seriously, it's apparently finally been found that a specific chemical used as an antioxidant in the rubber is toxic to the salmon. So, perhaps a substitute can be found that isn't so toxic.

Re: [MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-05 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
How is poisonous tire residue liberal? Non-sequitur. They just need to either find a different chemical to delay the inevitable hardening of the rubber or let the tires dry rot sooner - that is if you want to have salmon to eat (as I do). Or, you could cover all the roads to keep the rain off them

[MBZ] Cars kill fish

2020-12-05 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/tire-dust-is-killing-salmon/ Liberal hysteria runs rampant. Now being in a car is implicated in mass anadromous murder. So, we will not be allowed to driv