This morning was the coldest so far that I have started the SDL at about
20F. I have to glow for about 20-30 seconds to get a smooth idle (no
missing) right after start. Once the oil pressure pegs out, I put the
car in gear and go. But "go" is really creeping forward at an idle with
the thro
Seems like I heard that 20F is when diesel begins to gell. May depend on
winter or summer fuel.
Harry
This morning was the coldest so far that I have started the SDL at about
20F. I have to glow for about 20-30 seconds to get a smooth idle (no
missing) right after start. Once the oil pre
That's not the issue here. If it were gelled fuel, the problem would
not go away so quickly after such a short time. I'm wondering if this
is more like delivery valve seals
harry watkins wrote:
Seems like I heard that 20F is when diesel begins to gell. May depend
on winter or summer fue
Need to get some heat in the head to make it go "Bang".
My PowerChoke is 10 times worse that my SDL was. At 0° it takes it 2 minutes
to calm down.
Pete
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From: Luther
> This morning was the coldest so far that I have started the SDL at ab
My 140 SD fired right up this morning at 16 degrees with about 10
seconds of glow.
Luther wrote:
This morning was the coldest so far that I have started the SDL at about
20F. I have to glow for about 20-30 seconds to get a smooth idle (no
missing) right after start. Once the oil pressure peg
Thanks, but how does that help me? :)
Luther
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
My 140 SD fired right up this morning at 16 degrees with about 10
seconds of glow.
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'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D (74 kmi)
Ten seconds or so after the GP lamp goes out works pretty well for
me. Note that 30 sec is pretty short for pre-glow time at 20 F,
certainly it's a minute or so a 0F.
Severe lack of performance cold (unless you have huge clouds of white
smoke) indicates a fuel delivery problem -- time for
There was a dose of Power Service added to this full tank of fuel that
was purchased last week. Also, even when the temp is warm (i.e. 60 or
higher) and it's a cold start, it will blow some white smoke for about
10 seconds
Luther
Peter Frederick wrote:
Ten seconds or so after the GP lamp
How old are the glow plugs?
peter
On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Luther wrote:
There was a dose of Power Service added to this full tank of fuel
that was purchased last week. Also, even when the temp is warm
(i.e. 60 or higher) and it's a cold start, it will blow some white
smoke for about
It should start right up at 20F - mine did (and the 602 did just fine
this AM at 16F). I'd look for a bad glow plug or two, check that the
pressure line to the ALDA is not clogged, or nearly so. If the ALDA
needs adjusting, I'd think it would be not much different cold or warm
-again, my SDL was un
I haven't read the other replies but here's my take on it. That is normal
for a diesel in cold weather, at least for my 240D. Until it warms up just a
bit, it is even more slow that one would anticipate. Painfully slow. Pedal
to the floor and go 10 mph. But, after about 90 seconds or so, things get
It doesnt. At about 4:30 in the morning I have to go out and start the
190D. It has not been started since friday. I have not tried to start
it yet in temps anywhere near as cold as it is right now. Will report
how it does. It will not be plugged in. It also has regular 15w40 dino
oil in
True - for 61x engine, not so for a 60x engine with Mobil 1 and good
glow plugs, at least in my experience.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote:
> I haven't read the other replies but here's my take on it. That is normal
> for a diesel in cold weather, at least for my 240D. Unti
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On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
True - for 61x engine, not so for a 60x engine with Mobil 1 and good
glow plugs, at least in my experience.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Wonko the S
just because your SDL also did that does not mean its right. A 60x
should start right up down to at least 0 even with dino oil in it.
TE wrote:
Dude, this is normal. My SDL would run rough for the first minute or two.
Taking off with a cold engine was a trip... pegged to the floor, slow as
hel
The SDL that I drove for four years stopped doing that once I got it
sorted out --- I did replace ALL the FUSES though ;-)
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:43 PM, TE wrote:
> Dude, this is normal. My SDL would run rough for the first minute or two.
> Taking off with a cold engine was a trip... pegged to
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
just because your SDL also did that does not mean its right. A 60x
should start
It will once its sorted out, unless its worn out. I have not smoked any
crack lately.
TE wrote:
I'm not saying it was perfect, but its still running somewhere outside of
Atlanta with over 260k on it.
People that think a 22 year old diesel engine will just crank right up, not
smoke, run smooth
"Kaleb C. Striplin" writes:
> just because your SDL also did that does not mean its right. A 60x
> should start right up down to at least 0 even with dino oil in it.
My OM617 laughs at 20 degrees, and it's not sluggish either. I don't
even worry about the block heater unless its down into the
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> A 60x should
> start right up down to at least 0 even with dino oil in it.
>
Mine started today at 15 degrees or so with dino in it, even though I
was stupid and forgot the procedure---tried to crank it in short burts
instead of floori
: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
It will once its sorted out, unless its worn out. I have not smoked any
crack lately.
TE wrote:
> I'm not saying it was perfect, but its still running somewhere outside of
> Atlanta with over 260k on it.
>
> People that think a 22 year old diesel
The biggest part of that (sorting out) is to put in the afterglow
kit, or snip the purple wire, or otherwise temprarily disable the
purple wire for cold starts.
At 08:45 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
It will once its sorted out, unless its worn out. I have not smoked
any crack lately.
TE wrote:
om: "TE"
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
> I'm not saying it was perfect, but its still running somewhere outside of
> Atlanta with over 260k on it.
>
> People that t
OK - the only thing I smoke is over pecan wood, but my 300,000 mile 19
year old Diesel sat out all night, and started up without smoke, and
ran smoothly at 17F this morning.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:49 PM, TE wrote:
> I'm not saying it was perfect, but its still running somewhere outside of
> At
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On Behalf Of OK Don
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
True - for 61x engine, not so for a 60x engine with Mobil 1 and good
glow plugs, at least in my experience.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:0
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
just because your SDL also did that does not mean its right. A 60x
should start right up down to at least 0 even with dino oil in it.
TE wrote:
I'm not saying it was perfect, but its still running somewhere outside of
Atlanta with over 260k on it.
People that think a 22 year old diesel engine will just crank right up, not
smoke, run smooth after sitting in 20 degree weather all night are smoking
crack.
My S420 started right
Came with the head. I tested each with an 30-0-30 ameter, and all acted
like normal. I will check again now that it's a year later...
Luther
Peter Frederick wrote:
How old are the glow plugs?
peter
On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Luther wrote:
There was a dose of Power Service added to this
Normal? NO, not when the 2 other OM617 engines ('83SD '82CD) do not have
any sluggish issues when colder, even below 0F.
Luther
TE wrote:
Dude, this is normal. My SDL would run rough for the first minute or two.
Taking off with a cold engine was a trip... pegged to the floor, slow as
hell. It
The 300E fired right up this morning in 10F temps. Started yesterday at -2F.
But that is why it is my winter car!
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Well the 190D fired right up after less than 10 seconds of glow this
> morning, ran smooth as silk right off the bat, had n
TE wrote: "People that think a 22 year old diesel engine will just crank right
up, not smoke, run smooth after sitting in 20 degree weather all night are
smoking crack."
What about a 19 year old diesel. I bet OK Don's 300D 2.5 starts right up in 20
degree weather, runs smooth and has all of its
Well the 190D fired right up after less than 10 seconds of glow this
morning, ran smooth as silk right off the bat, had normal power.
Luther wrote:
Thanks, but how does that help me? :)
Luther
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92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
89 300E
>
>
> Well the 190D fired right up after less than 10 seconds of glow this
> morning, ran smooth as silk right off the bat, had normal power.
>
> Luther wrote:
> > Thanks, but how does that help me? :)
> >
> > Luther
> >
My past 2 diesel projects ('85 300SD, 91 300D) started fine down to 9
degre
Wonko the Sane wrote:
The 300E fired right up this morning in 10F temps. Started yesterday
at -2F. But that is why it is my winter car!
So the 300E isn't Debbie's? Still going to replace the Buick?
John
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Debbie will probably "steal" but 300E during the warmer months, when I am
driving the 240D.
Last time she drove the 300E any distance, it was on snow/ice with the old
Michelin tires on it. She mentioned that she preferred her front wheel drive
Buick (Regatta 2 tires) to the 300E in winter conditio
We never learn. ;<)
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Wonko the Sane"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
> Debbie will probably "steal" but 300E during the warmer
Indeed it did this AM at 18F.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
> TE wrote: "People that think a 22 year old diesel engine will just crank
> right up, not smoke, run smooth after sitting in 20 degree weather all night
> are smoking crack."
>
> What about a 19 year old diesel.
I started the 240D yesterday evening -- not sure what the garage temp was,
but it was around -7 outside and the car hadn't been started in several
weeks. I did have a BatteryTender plugged in the entire time, which might
have kept the battery warm. But I did three preglows and the car cranked
right
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