Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 05:52:51PM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > It seems simple to me [...] It seems simple because you haven't studied voting systems and their requirements for privacy, security, integrity, reliability, etc. You have also failed to consider that the privacy, security, integrity, re

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-15 Thread Mihai Popescu
| Is this an OpenBSD mailing list? Yes, it is. The simple fact is that some peple cannot get an idea on a subject. Two examples are security and randomization. Something inside them tells them "you didn't get it" or " you almost got it" and they want to show this is not true. Hence the venting on

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-15 Thread Vivek Vinod
‎Apologies for speaking out of turn.  Is this an OpenBSD mailing list? Vivek Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.   Original Message   From: Joel Wirāmu Pauling Sent: Tuesday 15 November 2016 20:46 To: gwes Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure? On 15

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-15 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
On 15 November 2016 at 09:47, gwes wrote: > On 11/15/2016 00:55, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > >> So yes, back to my original point. A Civic's blockchain, one that does not >> rely on the integrity (or rather is resilient to) the system it runs on, >> or >> the security of the transmission media

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-15 Thread gwes
On 11/15/2016 00:55, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: So yes, back to my original point. A Civic's blockchain, one that does not rely on the integrity (or rather is resilient to) the system it runs on, or the security of the transmission media ; as a platform for use in civic's - needs to exist first.

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-14 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
So yes, back to my original point. A Civic's blockchain, one that does not rely on the integrity (or rather is resilient to) the system it runs on, or the security of the transmission media ; as a platform for use in civic's - needs to exist first. Block-chains are relatively new and we are still

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-14 Thread gwes
On 11/14/2016 22:19, Alan Corey wrote: OK, it's relevant to OpenBSD because I wouldn't consider anything else safe enough to run on the servers. Not that I'm in a position to do any of it. The servers could even be run from custom official live CDs so they were harder to tamper with, with maybe

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-14 Thread Alan Corey
OK, it's relevant to OpenBSD because I wouldn't consider anything else safe enough to run on the servers. Not that I'm in a position to do any of it. The servers could even be run from custom official live CDs so they were harder to tamper with, with maybe a RAM drive for speed. There seems to b

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-14 Thread Philip Guenther
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Alan Corey wrote: > This sounds like heel-dragging to me, or they're trying to do it under > Windows or something: > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/17/more-than-30-states-offer-online-voting-but-experts-warn-it-isnt-secure/ > > It seems

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-14 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
You need a civic blockchain or some-such that guarantee's data integrity and agnosticism of the platform that anyone can verify. The interface into / mechanics once you have a blockchain which you can issue tokens from is the simple bit. Not sure this is relevant for this list tho. -Joel On 14

Re: Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-14 Thread Dave Anderson
[Off-topic; sorry. It's important to remind people of this issue, but I won't follow up any further.] This sort of security, no matter how well done, doesn't address one of the very important but often forgotten features of voting in person at a polling place: it makes it very difficult to buy

Why on earth would online voting be insecure?

2016-11-14 Thread Alan Corey
This sounds like heel-dragging to me, or they're trying to do it under Windows or something: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/17/more-than-30-states-offer-online-voting-but-experts-warn-it-isnt-secure/ It seems simple to me, you use firewalls and only make the results wri