It's good that this discussion is happening now.
To make the discussion as productive as possible, it's probably a
good idea to clarify assumptions and terms.
We all know what "market" means -- but in all likelihood many of the
things we all "know" do not overlap, and some are probably mutual
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Subject: Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
It's good that this discussion is happening now.
To make the discussion as productive as possible, it
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>1. Where is the current demand for IPv4 coming from? Plenty of analysis
here.
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I never thought I'd be doing this but:
Can we please move this thread elsewhere?
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 07:42:51AM +, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> I never thought I'd be doing this but:
>
> Can we please move this thread elsewhere?
>
> - - ferg
>
there is a list already established for just such
purposes:
List-Id: ARIN Discussion Mailing List
You must be a member of ARIN to be on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The proper place for the discussion to go is likely the ARIN Public
Policy Mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
Regards,
-drc
On Feb 20, 2008, at 1:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 07:42:51AM +, Paul Ferguson
Thus spake "Adrian Chadd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As I ranted on #nanog last night; the v6 transition will happen when it
costs more to buy / maintain a v4 infrastructure (IP trading, quadruple
NAT, support overheads, v6 tunnel brokers, etc) then it is to migrate
infrastructure to v6.
If people wer
(apologies in advance for extending this thread here rather than on
ppml -- will gladly take responses off-list, or move it over if
responders would prefer to continue the discussion there)
On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake "Adrian Chadd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom
Vest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
My prediction is that when the handful of mega-ISPs are unable to
get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses they need (a few dozen
account for 90% of all consumption in the ARIN region)...
I keep reading assertions
dear arin hostfolk. could we please have the histogram for the last few
years where the Y axis is the amount of allocation and the X axis is the
number of organizations with that total size of new allocations during
the period? you'll have to bucket alloc size in some useful way,
probably a
> Operational comment: Look on the bright side, they may follow
> Comcast's example and deploy ipv6 instead!
Or they may not, and their share price will suffer as a
result. People making the technical decision to stick
with IPv4 for their large network are also making a
decision to limit the gro
On 22 feb 2008, at 0:55, Tom Vest wrote:
I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of
mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4
addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all consumption
in the ARIN region)...
I keep reading assertions like th
On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 22 feb 2008, at 0:55, Tom Vest wrote:
I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of
mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4
addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all
consumptio
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Roland Perry wrote:
>
> I would not be surprised to learn that "consumption in the ARIN region"
> includes all the legacy assignments.
Many legacy assignments are now administered by the other RIRs
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
Tony.
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f.a.n.finch <[E
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tony Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I would not be surprised to learn that "consumption in the ARIN region"
includes all the legacy assignments.
Many legacy assignments are now administered by the other RIRs
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
On 22 feb 2008, at 16:41, Tom Vest wrote:
You can download files with all the delegation info from
ftp.arin.net.
You mean the stats files, which provide delegation date, type,
starting number, length, etc.?
Yes.
Which one of the published fields is the key field that enables you
to id
Hi Iljitsch,
Thanks for your response.
On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:38 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 22 feb 2008, at 16:41, Tom Vest wrote:
You can download files with all the delegation info from
ftp.arin.net.
You mean the stats files, which provide delegation date, type,
starting numbe
Thus spake "Tom Vest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of
mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses
they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all
consumption in the ARIN region)...
I keep reading assertions like this.
On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake "Tom Vest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of
mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4
addresses
they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all
consumption in th
Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake "Tom Vest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of
mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses
they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all
consumption in the ARIN region)...
I keep readin
On 23 feb 2008, at 4:02, Tom Vest wrote:
Which one of the published fields is the key field that enables
you to identify the common recipient(s) of successive delegations
over time?
There is no such field.
I didn't think so. So there is no accurate way to get anything like
a sum of IP
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Iljitsch
van Beijnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I'm not sure why exactly you want to know how much space goes to how
many organizations
Several days ago, it seemed to me that Stephen Sprunk suggested that it
would only take a change of policy of a handful of
Thus spake "Tom Vest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Rechecking my own post to PPML, 73 Xtra Large orgs held 79.28% of ARIN's
address space as of May 07; my apology for a faulty memory, but it's not
off by enough to invalidate the point.
The statisti
On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake "Tom Vest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Rechecking my own post to PPML, 73 Xtra Large orgs held 79.28% of
ARIN's address space as of May 07; my apology for a faulty
memory, but it's
] On Behalf Of Randy Bush
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:32 AM
To: Roland Perry
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
dear arin hostfolk. could we please have the histogram for the last few years
where the Y axis is the amount of allocation and the X axis is the number
> ARIN has produced the histogram as requested and posted it to our
> website. It can be found at
> http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html#ipv4org
leslie,
thank you ever so much. but the way it depects the date kinda obscures
my point. my apologies for being a pita, but could the y axis p
Thus spake "Owen DeLong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
The wording of the question and response referred only to "ARIN
members". That does not include most orgs with _only_ legacy
allocations, but it would include orgs with both legacy and non- legacy
As recently suggested, ARIN has made the requested changes to produce a
new histogram. It can be found at:
http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html#ipv4org.
Note, this is the same link as the old histogram so you may need to
refresh your browser's cache.
Regards,
Leslie Nobile
Director,
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