Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: private property?

2000-12-09 Thread Jim Devine
>I wrote:> as I've argued before, Mao didn't have complete control. He had >to respond > > to the power and influence of CCP cadres, while the fact that his power > was > > originally based on a peasant revolution limited his power. Dennis Rodman -- no, Redmond -- wrote: >Not what the historic

RE: RE: RE: Re: Private Property

2000-12-08 Thread David Shemano
others who would identify themselves as conservative. David Shemano -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mikalac Norman S NSSC Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:58 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [PEN-L:5852] RE: RE: Re: Privat

Re: RE: RE: Re: Private Property

2000-12-08 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:58 AM 12/8/00 -0500, you wrote: >i can't find cyber-forums with a Conservatism or Right (meaning to the >Left of Nazism and Monarchism) perspective at the same level of erudition as >presented in PEN-L.* do they exist? what, the Rush Limbaugh ditto-heads don't strive for intellectual excel

RE: RE: Re: Private Property

2000-12-08 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
thank you for your interesting comments, david. i hope you will keep tuned to these edifying discussions at PEN-L and please comment on my amateur questions and statements because i like to check them out with the Left, Center and Right perspectives. part of the learning process, as they say. P

Re: RE: Re: Private Property

2000-12-07 Thread Justin Schwartz
I am >a practicing corporate bankruptcy attorney. (My motto is capitalism >without >bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell).> > > Some of us here belong to the wor;d's third oldest profession and there are legal discussions intermittwently; pitch in if you have idea. Btw, I am a believe

Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: private property?

2000-12-07 Thread Dennis Robert Redmond
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jim Devine wrote: > as I've argued before, Mao didn't have complete control. He had to respond > to the power and influence of CCP cadres, while the fact that his power was > originally based on a peasant revolution limited his power. Not what the historical record says. Ma

Re: Re: RE: RE: private property?

2000-12-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:18 AM 12/7/00 -0800, you wrote: >And if one person owns literally *everything*, the way that, say, Mao >Zedong once owned mainland China through that Absolutist-style holding >company otherwise known as the CCP? as I've argued before, Mao didn't have complete control. He had to respond to

Re: RE: RE: private property?

2000-12-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 05:20 PM 12/6/00 -0800, you wrote: >Let me generally answer the questions as follows. The issue, from my >perspective, is not whether property is "private" in the sense you seem to >be asking, or whether rather metaphysical notions of freedom and consent >can exist under capitalism. Not th

Re: RE: RE: private property?

2000-12-07 Thread Dennis Robert Redmond
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, David Shemano wrote: > space begins. "Private property" is my shorthand for saying the rules will > provide that with respect to any specific resource, commodity, etc., a > single individual gets to decide issues of possession, use and transfer. And if one person owns litera

Re: RE: RE: private property?

2000-12-06 Thread Justin Schwartz
If you >believe that there is something inherently noble in democratic decision >making regardless of the results of the decision making, then you have >chosen an end which I do not share. > We have a fundamental disagreement, then, david. I think that democratic decisionmaking, including wron

RE: RE: RE: private property?

2000-12-06 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
>> Let me generally answer the questions as follows. The issue, from my perspective, is not whether property is "private" in the sense you seem to be asking, or whether rather metaphysical notions of freedom and consent can exist under capitalism. Not that those are not important issues, b