Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 11.01.18 um 06:16 schrieb Michael Torrie: On 01/10/2018 01:13 PM, bartc wrote: I couldn't see anything obviously simple there. A lot seems to do with interaction which is always much more complicated than just drawing stuff. Yes the link didn't have the simple examples I hoped for. How's t

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:14:03 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> How do I deal with permissions errors? [semi-rhetorical question -- I >>> know *an* answer, but I don't know if it is the *right* answer] >> >> That's a fair point, but a perms e

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Monte Milanuk
On 2018-01-11 12:37, Oivvio Polite wrote: On ons, jan 10, 2018 at 01:40:28 +0100, Jan Erik Moström wrote: I'm looking for a really easy to use graphic library. The target users are teachers who have never programmed before and is taking a first (and possible last) programming course. I do a t

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Moore
On 12 January 2018 at 01:21, bartc wrote: > On 11/01/2018 23:23, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:11 AM, bartc wrote: > > >> I'm almost ready to plonk you, but I think there is still SOME value >> in your posts. But please, stop denigrating what you don't understand. > > > A

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/01/2018 08:47, Paul Moore wrote: On 12 January 2018 at 01:21, bartc wrote: On 11/01/2018 23:23, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:11 AM, bartc wrote: I'm almost ready to plonk you, but I think there is still SOME value in your posts. But please, stop denigrating what

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Moore
On 12 January 2018 at 06:45, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> The recommendation was already given to use "python3 -m pip". That gets >> around those problems. > > If you google for installation instructions, they're nearly always given > in terms of "use pip", not "use python3.4 -m pip". > > My point is

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Moore
On 12 January 2018 at 06:47, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:45:04 +1300, Gregory Ewing wrote: > >> Seems to me it would help if pip were to announce which version of >> Python it's installing things into. And instead of just saying "not >> compatible with this version of Python",

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Moore
On 12 January 2018 at 09:12, Tim Golden wrote: > I think the shame here is that there is a learning opportunity on both > sides. As Paul says: by and large, the huge amount of work which the Python > Packaging team, especially the pip developers, have put in has paid off. > It's now usually possib

Re: Generating SVG from turtle graphics

2018-01-12 Thread Thomas Jollans
On 2018-01-11 12:03, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I'd like to draw something with turtle, then generate a SVG file from it. > > Is this possible? > > If not, is there something I can do which lets me plot lines, shapes and > curves and output to SVG? > > Ideally, I'd like to draw a figure pixel by

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 12 January 2018 at 09:12, Tim Golden wrote: >> I think the shame here is that there is a learning opportunity on both >> sides. As Paul says: by and large, the huge amount of work which the Python >> Packaging team, especially the pip develo

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread breamoreboy
On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 6:52:32 AM UTC, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:45:04 +1300, Gregory Ewing wrote: > > > Seems to me it would help if pip were to announce which version of > > Python it's installing things into. And instead of just saying "not > > compatible with this

Re: merits of Lisp vs Python

2018-01-12 Thread a2htray . yuen
在 2006年12月8日星期五 UTC+8下午7:07:09,Mark Tarver写道: > How do you compare Python to Lisp? What specific advantages do you > think that one has over the other? > > Note I'm not a Python person and I have no axes to grind here. This is > just a question for my general education. > > Mark 12 years ago.

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread bartc
On 12/01/2018 01:56, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:21 PM, bartc wrote: On 11/01/2018 23:23, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:11 AM, bartc wrote: I'm almost ready to plonk you, but I think there is still SOME value in your posts. But please, stop denigra

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Lele Gaifax
bartc writes: > If you a beginner, outsider, or infrequent user of Python with no idea of > what the latest version is, except that you already have 3.6 but it might > have a problem, which would you choose? Unless you are also unable to read *and* understand, by any chance you'd follow the very

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Mikhail V
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 12 January 2018 at 06:47, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> If pip is joined at the hip to a specific version of Python, I think that >> we ought to be able to specify the version number like we can with Python. >> >> Something like: >> >> pip .

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Moore
On 12 January 2018 at 17:25, Mikhail V wrote: > And the target Python where the package will be installed should be defined by > a switch, e.g. 'pip -2', 'pip -3' (in analogy with 'py -2', 'py -3'). > The question is though, how pip will know what version(s) of python I have, > and > if I install

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Michael Torrie
On 01/11/2018 11:48 PM, Jan Erik Moström wrote: > On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:40, Jan Erik Moström wrote: > >> I'm looking for a really easy to use graphic library. The target users >> are teachers who have never programmed before and is taking a first >> (and possible last) programming course. > > T