On 9/19/2009 11:33 PM Greg Ewing said...
It's possible that some individuals do this more
frequently than others, e.g. mathematicians and other
people who are in the habit of exploring new ideas may
be less influenced by the constraints of language
than the general population.
As I recall Shak
En Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:33:47 -0300, Greg Ewing
escribió:
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
In any case, it doesn't affect my point, which was that
I was thinking about something that I didn't have a word,
or even a convenient phrase for.
That is probably true, but on the other hand, it is not totally
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> A one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people eater?
>
> {Which brings up the confusing question... Is the eater purple, or does
> it eat purple people (which is why it is so rare... it only eats people
> caught in the last stages of suffocation )}
Since we're spending
> On Friday 18 September 2009 06:39:57 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>
>> A one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people eater?
>>
>> {Which brings up the confusing question... Is the eater purple, or does
>> it eat purple people (which is why it is so rare... it only eats people
>> caught in the l
2009/9/19 r :
> Snap (sort of).
> Does anybody know where the concept of the purple people eater comes
> from?
> I mean is there a children's book or something?
> - Hendrik
I've always assumed it to go back to the 1958 Sheb Wooley song. Which
I remember, although I was only 3 when it was released
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
Yikes! If I follow you, it is a bit like having a hollow dumb-bell with a
hollow handle of zero length, and wanting a word for that opening between the
knobs.
That's pretty much it, yes. Although "opening" doesn't
quite cut it, because there can be two of them shari
On Sep 19, 2:12 am, greg wrote:
> Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
> > there would be no way for a language to change
> > and grow, if it were literally true that you cannot think of something that
> > you have no word for.
>
> From my own experience, I know that it's possible for me to
> think about
greg wrote:
So in my humble opinion, the strong form of the Sapir-Whorf
hypothesis is bunk. :-)
It also seems not to have been their hypothesis ;-). from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir-Whorf_hypothesis
"Since neither Sapir nor Whorf had ever stated an actual hypothesis,
Lenneberg formula
On Saturday 19 September 2009 09:12:34 greg wrote:
> From my own experience, I know that it's possible for me to
> think about things that I don't have a word for. An example
> occured once when I was developing a 3D game engine, and
> I was trying to think of a name for the thing that exists
> w
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
there would be no way for a language to change
and grow, if it were literally true that you cannot think of something that
you have no word for.
From my own experience, I know that it's possible for me to
think about things that I don't have a word for. An example
o
On Friday 18 September 2009 06:39:57 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
(snip)
Snap (sort of).
Does anybody know where the concept of the purple people eater comes
from?
I mean is there a children's book or something?
- Hendrik
Where is the one eyed, one horned, lavender (antiquated) language
eater i ask!
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Hendrik van Rooyen
wrote:
> Does anybody know where the concept of the purple people eater comes from?
> I mean is there a children's book or something?
> - Hendrik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_People_Eater
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On Friday 18 September 2009 06:39:57 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> A one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people eater?
>
> {Which brings up the confusing question... Is the eater purple, or does
> it eat purple people (which is why it is so rare... it only eats people
> caught in the last stage
On Thursday 17 September 2009 15:29:38 Tim Rowe wrote:
> There are good reasons for it falling out of favour, though. At the
> time of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, anthropologists were arguing that
> members of a certain remote tribe did not experience grief on the
> death of a child because their
On Sep 18, 2:39 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> Granted, a proper version would use a class where the two Venus
> objects have a different description...
I think I'd be more inclined to model Venus and treat the others as
views :)
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On 2009-09-15, r wrote:
> Are you telling us people using a language that does not have a word
> for window somehow cannot comprehend what a window is, are you mad
> man? Words are simply text attributes attached to objects. the text
> attribute doesn't change the object in any way. just think of
2009/9/15 Hendrik van Rooyen :
> On Monday 14 September 2009 14:06:36 Christopher Culver wrote:
>
>> This is the old Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which fell out of favour among
>> linguists half a century ago already. 1) Language does not constrain
>> human thought, and 2) any two human languages are bo
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
> The opposite thing is of course a continual source of trouble - we all have
> words for stuff we have never seen,
> like "dragon", "ghost", "goblin", "leprechaun", "the current King of
> France", "God", "Allah", "The Holy Trinity", "Lucifer", "Satan", "Griffin" -
Lie Ryan wrote:
r wrote:
On Sep 15, 4:12 am, Hendrik van Rooyen
wrote:
(snip)
When a language lacks a word for a concept like "window", then (I
believe :-) ), it kind of puts a crimp in the style of thinking that a
person will do, growing up with only that language.
Are you telling us peop
On Tuesday 15 September 2009 19:04:10 r wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:12 am, Hendrik van Rooyen
> wrote:
> (snip)
>
> > When a language lacks a word for a concept like "window", then (I
> > believe :-) ), it kind of puts a crimp in the style of thinking that a
> > person will do, growing up with only tha
On Tuesday 15 September 2009 18:22:30 Christopher Culver wrote:
> Hendrik van Rooyen writes:
> > 2) Is about as useful as stating that any Turing complete language and
> > processor pair is capable of solving any computable problem, given enough
> > time. So why are we not all programming in brain
r wrote:
You're on a slippery slope when you claim that people deserve whatever
mistreatment or misfortune comes their way through mere circumstances
of birth. I suggest you step back and actually read your messages
again and consider how others might interpret them.
Paul: civilizations rise an
r wrote:
Not that I agree that it would be a Utopia, whatever the language - more like
a nightmare of Orwellian proportions - because the language you get taught
first, moulds the way you think. And I know from personal experience that
there are concepts that can be succinctly expressed in on
r wrote:
On Sep 15, 4:12 am, Hendrik van Rooyen
wrote:
(snip)
When a language lacks a word for a concept like "window", then (I
believe :-) ), it kind of puts a crimp in the style of thinking that a
person will do, growing up with only that language.
Are you telling us people using a langua
Christopher Culver wrote:
Robin Becker writes:
well allegedly, "the medium is the message" so we also need to take
account of language in addition to the meaning of communications. I
don't believe all languages are equivalent in the meanings that they
can encode or convey. Our mathematics is he
On Sep 15, 4:12 am, Hendrik van Rooyen
wrote:
(snip)
> When a language lacks a word for a concept like "window", then (I
> believe :-) ), it kind of puts a crimp in the style of thinking that a
> person will do, growing up with only that language.
Are you telling us people using a language that
On Sep 14, 5:05 am, Christopher Culver
wrote:
> Hyuga writes:
> > I just wanted to add, in defense of the Chinese written language
> > ... that I think it would make a fairly good candidate for use at
> > least as a universal *written* language. Particularly simplified
> > Chinese since, well, i
Hendrik van Rooyen writes:
> 2) Is about as useful as stating that any Turing complete language and
> processor pair is capable of solving any computable problem, given enough
> time. So why are we not all programming in brainfuck?
Except the amount of circumlocution one language might happen t
On Monday 14 September 2009 14:06:36 Christopher Culver wrote:
> This is the old Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which fell out of favour among
> linguists half a century ago already. 1) Language does not constrain
> human thought, and 2) any two human languages are both capable of
> expressing the same t
On Sep 14, 1:24 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> r wrote:
>
> > So how many letters do we need? 50, 100, 1000?
>
> From Wikipedia IPA article:
> Occasionally symbols are added, removed, or modified by the
> International Phonetic Association. As of 2008, there are 107 distinct
> letters, 52 diacritics, a
Robin Becker writes:
> well allegedly, "the medium is the message" so we also need to take
> account of language in addition to the meaning of communications. I
> don't believe all languages are equivalent in the meanings that they
> can encode or convey. Our mathematics is heavily biassed towards
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:24:44 +0100, Terry Reedy wrote:
r wrote:
So how many letters do we need? 50, 100, 1000?
From Wikipedia IPA article:
Occasionally symbols are added, removed, or modified by the
International Phonetic Association. As of 2008, there are 107 distinct
letters, 52 dia
r wrote:
So how many letters do we need? 50, 100, 1000?
From Wikipedia IPA article:
Occasionally symbols are added, removed, or modified by the
International Phonetic Association. As of 2008, there are 107 distinct
letters, 52 diacritics, and four prosody marks in the IPA proper.
--
ht
On Sep 14, 9:23 am, Christopher Culver
wrote:
(snip)
> That researcher does not say that language *constrains* thought, which
> was the assertion of the OP and of the strict form of the Sapir-Whorf
> hypothesis. She merely says that it may influence thought.
*I* am the OP! I never said language c
On Sep 14, 9:11 am, Processor-Dev1l wrote:
(snip)
> Well, I am from one of the non-English speaking countries (Czech
> Republic). We were always messed up with windows-1250 or iso-8859-2.
> Unicode is really great thing for us and for our developers.
Yes you need the crutch of Unicode because no
On Sep 14, 9:05 am, Mel wrote:
(snip)
> Worf was raised as a Klingon, so you can expect this. If he'd been brought
> up speaking Minbari, points 1 and 2 would have been obvious to him.
>
> Mel.
Yes Klingon's are a product of their moronic society, not their
moronic language. The brainwas
On Sep 14, 6:00 am, Robin Becker wrote:
(snip)
> well allegedly, "the medium is the message" so we also need to take account of
> language in addition to the meaning of communications. I don't believe all
> languages are equivalent in the meanings that they can encode or convey. Our
> mathematics
ru...@yahoo.com writes:
> Fashion changes in science as well as clothes. :-)
A favourite line of crackpots who think that their ridiculous position
is not held by others merely because of "fashion".
> I wouldn't count
> Sapir-Whorf out yet...
> http://edge.org/3rd_culture/boroditsky09/boroditsky
ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sep 14, 6:06 am, Christopher Culver
wrote:
Robin Becker writes:
well allegedly, "the medium is the message" so we also need to take
account of language in addition to the meaning of communications. I
don't believe all languages are equivalent in the meanings that the
On Aug 30, 2:19 pm, r wrote:
> On Aug 29, 11:05 pm, Anny Mous wrote:
> (snip)
>
> > How do we distinguish resume from résumé without accents?
>
> This is another quirk of some languages that befuddles me. What is
> with the ongoing language pronunciation tutorial some languages have
> turned into
On Sep 14, 6:06 am, Christopher Culver
wrote:
> Robin Becker writes:
> > well allegedly, "the medium is the message" so we also need to take
> > account of language in addition to the meaning of communications. I
> > don't believe all languages are equivalent in the meanings that they
> > can enc
r wrote:
...
What makes you think that diversity is lost with a single language? I
say more pollination will occur and the seed will be more potent since
all parties will contribute to the same pool. Sure there will be
idioms of different regions but that is to be expected. But at least
then
Hyuga writes:
> I just wanted to add, in defense of the Chinese written language
> ... that I think it would make a fairly good candidate for use at
> least as a universal *written* language. Particularly simplified
> Chinese since, well, it's simpler.
>
> The advantages are that the grammar is r
On Sep 10, 8:43 pm, Jan Claeys wrote:
> Maybe we should use a language that has a Turing-complete grammar, so
> that even computers can understand & speak it "easily"?
Interesting, i do find some things more easily explainable using code,
however, code losses the ability to describe abstract ide
Op Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:28:55 -0700, schreef r:
> I said it before and i will say it again. I DON"T CARE WHAT LANGUAGE WE
> USE AS LONG AS IT IS A MODERN LANGUAGE FOUNDED ON IDEALS OF
> SIMPLICITY
Maybe we should use a language that has a Turing-complete grammar, so
that even computers can un
On Sep 1, 9:48 am, steve wrote:
(snip)
> I think you are confusing simplicity with uniformity.
>
> Uniformity is not always good. Sure standardizing on units of measure and
> airline codes is good, but expecting everyone to speak one language is akin to
> expecting everyone to wear one type of clo
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 03:16:03PM EDT, r wrote:
[..]
> Bring on the metric system Terry, i have been waiting all my life!!
>
> Now, if we can only convince those 800 million Mandarin Chinese
> speakers... *ahem* Do we have a Chinese translator in the house?
>
> :-)
"Between the idea
And the
r wrote:
I'd like to present a bug report to evolution, obviously the garbage
collector is malfunctioning.
I think most people think that when they read the drivel that you generate.
I'm done with your threads and posts.
*plonk*
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On Sep 2, 4:41 am, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
(snip)
> > No evolution awards those that benefit evolution. You make it seem as
> > evolution is some loving mother hen, quite the contrary! Evolution is
> > selfish, greedy, and sometimes evil. And it will endure all of us...
>
> > remember the old clich
Gabriel Genellina wrote:
> Looks like we all will have to learn mandarin! A nice language but with a
> high entrance barrier for western people.
It will pay off in the long run. Problem for me: it seems most people in
Toronto speak Cantonese. That's just something I'll have to deal with.
Wrot
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I'd like to add the following:
It is an intriguing human trade to attribute emotions and reasons to
things that have none. Intriguing because I haven't observed yet that it
provides an advantage, but it happens so often that I can't exclude it
either.
I find that evol
En Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:58:43 -0300, Hendrik van Rooyen
escribió:
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 08:52:55 Gabriel Genellina wrote:
Bueno, voy a escribir en el segundo lenguaje más hablado en el mundo
(español), después del mandarín (con más de 1000 millones de personas).
What do you call so
This thread has intrigued me enough to bite the bullet and look up "r"'s
posts. Oh my! They say a little learning is a dangerous thing, and this
is a great example -- the only think bigger than r's ignorance and
naivety on these topics is his confidence that he alone understands The
Truth. Oh w
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 08:52:55 Gabriel Genellina wrote:
> En Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:49:57 -0300, r escribió:
> > On Sep 1, 1:52 pm, Hyuga wrote:
> > (snip)
> >
> >> I'd say don't feel the troll, but too late for that I guess.
> >
> > The only trolls in this thread are you and the others w
En Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:49:57 -0300, r escribió:
On Sep 1, 1:52 pm, Hyuga wrote:
(snip)
I'd say don't feel the troll, but too late for that I guess.
The only trolls in this thread are you and the others who breaks into
MY THREAD just for the knee-jerk reaction of troll calling! Even
though
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:29:54 -0700, r wrote:
[snip: variety of almost-alliterative epithets]
Well, if you admit you set out to offend people, then you're trolling.
--
Rami Chowdhury
"Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity" --
Hanlon's Razor
408-597-7068 (US)
On Sep 1, 6:06 pm, "Rami Chowdhury" wrote:
(snip: trolling tirade)
I don't think when i started this thread i had any intentions what-so-
ever of pleasing asinine-anthropologist, sociology-sickos, or neo-nazi-
linguist. No, actually i am quite sure of that is the case!
--
http://mail.python.org/
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:35:46 -0700, Rami Chowdhury wrote:
>> SI is preferred,
>> but Imperial is permitted.
>
> IME most people in the UK under the age of 40 can speak SI without
> trouble.
>
> On the other hand, "let's nip down to the pub for 580ml of beer" just
> doesn't have the right ring to
The only trolls in this thread are you and the others who breaks into
MY THREAD just for the knee-jerk reaction of troll calling!
How does this make one's opinion any less relevant? I think the fact that
you are coming across in this thread as closed-minded, bigoted, and
uninformed gives eve
On Sep 1, 1:52 pm, Hyuga wrote:
(snip)
> I'd say don't feel the troll, but too late for that I guess.
The only trolls in this thread are you and the others who breaks into
MY THREAD just for the knee-jerk reaction of troll calling! Even
though you *did* offer some argument to one of the subject
r wrote:
On Sep 1, 2:39 am, Terry Reedy wrote:
(snip)
There is, of course, an international system of measure. The US is the
only major holdout. (I recall Burma, or somesuch, is another.) An
interesting proposition would be for the US to adopt the metric system
in exchange for the rest of the w
On Sep 1, 2:39 am, Terry Reedy wrote:
(snip)
> There is, of course, an international system of measure. The US is the
> only major holdout. (I recall Burma, or somesuch, is another.) An
> interesting proposition would be for the US to adopt the metric system
> in exchange for the rest of the world
On Aug 29, 8:20 pm, John Machin wrote:
> On Aug 30, 8:46 am, r wrote:
>
>
>
> > Take for instance the Chinese language with it's thousands of
> > characters and BS, it's more of an art than a language. Why do we
> > need such complicated languages in this day and time. Many languages
> > have be
SI is preferred,
but Imperial is permitted.
IME most people in the UK under the age of 40 can speak SI without trouble.
On the other hand, "let's nip down to the pub for 580ml of beer" just
doesn't have the right ring to it ;-)
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:17:00 -0700, Matthew Barnett
wrote:
I'm a lurker on this list and am here more to learn rather than teach and
although better sense tells me not to feed the troll -- I'll bite.
Mainly because, r, unlike XL does seem to offer help every one in a while.
So, ...
On 08/31/2009 03:58 AM, r wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:05 pm, Paul Boddie wrot
Kurt Mueller wrote:
Am 01.09.2009 um 09:39 schrieb Terry Reedy:
But this same problem also extends into monies, nation states, units
of measure, etc.
There is, of course, an international system of measure. The US is the
only major holdout. (I recall Burma, or somesuch, is another.) An
inte
On Aug 30, 1:08 pm, Nobody wrote:
(snip)
> Because that would be the likely consequence of such a stance. Japanese
> websites will continue to use Shift-JIS, Japanese cellphones (or
> Scandanavian cellphones aimed at the Japanese market, for that matter)
> will continue to render websites which us
On 31 Aug, 00:28, r wrote:
>
> I said it before and i will say it again. I DON"T CARE WHAT LANGUAGE
> WE USE AS LONG AS IT IS A MODERN LANGUAGE FOUNDED ON IDEALS OF
> SIMPLICITY
[Esperanto]
> English is by far already the de-facto lingua franca throughout the
> world.
You don't care, but he
On 30 Aug, 18:00, r wrote:
>
> Hold the phone Paul you are calling me a retarded bigot and i don't
> much appreciate that. I think you are completely misinterpreting my
> post. i and i ask you read it again especially this part...
I didn't call you a "retarded bigot", and yet I did read your post
Am 01.09.2009 um 09:39 schrieb Terry Reedy:
But this same problem also extends into monies, nation states, units
of measure, etc.
There is, of course, an international system of measure. The US is
the only major holdout. (I recall Burma, or somesuch, is another.)
An interesting proposition
r wrote:
Well despite all my rantings over Unicode i highly doubt Guido will
remove it from Python or any other language devs will follow suit. As
i pointed out the real issue is not so much a Unicode problem (which
is just a monkey patch) but stems from the multi-language problem.
Unicode is a
Well despite all my rantings over Unicode i highly doubt Guido will
remove it from Python or any other language devs will follow suit. As
i pointed out the real issue is not so much a Unicode problem (which
is just a monkey patch) but stems from the multi-language problem.
I think a correlation c
Nigel Rantor writes:
> Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
>> On Sunday 30 August 2009 22:46:49 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>>
>>> Rather elitist viewpoint... Why don't we just drop nukes on some 60%
>>> of populated landmasses that don't have a "western" culture and avoid
>>> the whole problem?
>>
>> Now
On 8/31/2009 10:41 AM Dennis Lee Bieber said...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:36:46 +0100, Nigel Rantor
Also, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Esperanto yet. Sounds like
something r and Xah would *love*.
Hmmm, thought I had mentioned Esperanto (and Klingon)
Just curious -- has anyone
No need to feed the troll by actually trying to engage in the discussion,
but just FYI:
Sanskrit is mostly written in Devanagari these days which is also
useful for selling things to people who speak Hindi and other Indian
languages.
Devanagari is what's used for Hindi and a handful of ot
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
On Sunday 30 August 2009 22:46:49 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
Rather elitist viewpoint... Why don't we just drop nukes on some 60%
of populated landmasses that don't have a "western" culture and avoid
the whole problem?
Now yer talking, boyo! It will surely hel
On Sunday 30 August 2009 22:46:49 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> Rather elitist viewpoint... Why don't we just drop nukes on some 60%
> of populated landmasses that don't have a "western" culture and avoid
> the whole problem?
Now yer talking, boyo! It will surely help with the basic problem w
>
> So why the heck are we supporting such capitalistic implementations as
> Unicode. Sure we must support a winders installer but Unicode, dump
> it! We don't support a Python group in Chinese or French, so why this?
> Makes no sense to me really. Let M$ deal with it.
>
Who, exactly, do you think
Would someone please point me to one example where this sociology or
anthropology crap has ever improved our day to day lives or moved use
into the future with great innovation? A life spend studying this
mumbo-jumbo is a complete waste of time when many other far more
important and *real* problems
On Aug 30, 10:09 am, Paul Boddie wrote:
> On 30 Aug, 14:49, r wrote:
Then you aren't paying attention.
...(snip: defamation of character)
Hold the phone Paul you are calling me a retarded bigot and i don't
much appreciate that. I think you are completely misinterpreting my
post. i and i ask you
On Aug 30, 7:11 am, Hendrik van Rooyen
wrote:
(snip)
> I suspect that the alphabet is not ideal for representing the sounds of _any_
> language, and I would look for my proof in the plethora of things that we use
> when writing, other than the bare A-Z. - Punctuation, diacritics...
It can be ma
On Aug 30, 4:47 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:05:24 +1000, Anny Mous
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
> > Have you thought about the difference between China, with one culture and
> > one spoken language for thousands of years, and Europe, with doz
On Aug 29, 7:22 pm, Neil Hodgson
wrote:
> Wow, I like this world you live in: all that altruism!
Well if i don't who will? *shrugs*
> Unicode was
> developed by corporations from the US left coast in order to sell their
> products in foreign markets at minimal cost.
So why the heck are we s
30-08-2009 o 14:11:15 Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
a nightmare of Orwellian proportions - because the language you get
taught first, moulds the way you think. And I know from personal
experience that
there are concepts that can be succinctly expressed in one language, that
takes a lot of word
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:14:55 -0700, John Nagle wrote:
> (I wish the HTML standards people would do the same. HTML 5
> should have been ASCII only (with the "&" escapes if desired)
> or Unicode. No "Latin-1", no upper code pages, no JIS, etc.)
IOW, you want the HTML standards to continue to
On Sunday 30 August 2009 15:37:19 r wrote:
> What makes you think that diversity is lost with a single language?
I am quite sure of this - it goes deeper than mere regional differences - your
first language forms the way you think - and if we all get taught the same
language, then on a very f
On 30 Aug, 14:49, r wrote:
>
> It can be made better and if that means add/removing letters or
> redefining what a letter represents i am fine with that. I know first
> hand the hypocrisy of the English language. I am thinking more on the
> lines of English redux!
Elsewhere in this thread you've
On Aug 30, 7:11 am, Hendrik van Rooyen
wrote:
(snip)
> Not that I agree that it would be a Utopia, whatever the language - more like
> a nightmare of Orwellian proportions - because the language you get taught
> first, moulds the way you think. And I know from personal experience that
> there ar
On Aug 30, 3:33 am, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
[snip ridiculous trolling]
> Thorsten
Hmm, I wonder who's sock puppet you are Thorsten?
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On Aug 29, 11:05 pm, Anny Mous wrote:
(snip)
> How do we distinguish resume from résumé without accents?
This is another quirk of some languages that befuddles me. What is
with the ongoing language pronunciation tutorial some languages have
turned into -- French is a good example (*puke*). Do you
On Sunday 30 August 2009 02:20:47 John Machin wrote:
> On Aug 30, 8:46 am, r wrote:
> > Take for instance the Chinese language with it's thousands of
> > characters and BS, it's more of an art than a language. Why do we
> > need such complicated languages in this day and time. Many languages
> >
* John Machin (Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:20:47 -0700 (PDT))
> On Aug 30, 8:46 am, r wrote:
> >
> > Take for instance the Chinese language with it's thousands of
> > characters and BS, it's more of an art than a language. Why do we
> > need such complicated languages in this day and time. Many languages
r gmail.com> writes:
>
> Why should the larger world
> keep supporting such antiquated languages and character sets through
> Unicode? What purpose does this serve? Are we merely trying to make
> everyone happy? A sort of Utopian free-language-love-fest-kinda-
> thing?
Can you go and troll somew
* Chris Jones (Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:22:00 -0400)
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:07:17PM EDT, Neil Hodgson wrote:
> > Sanskrit is mostly written in Devanagari these days which is also
> > useful for selling things to people who speak Hindi and other Indian
> > languages.
>
> Is the implication that th
* Neil Hodgson (Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:17:14 GMT)
> Chris Jones:
>
> > I am not from these climes but all the same, I do find you tone of
> > voice rather offensive, considering that you are referring to a
> > culture that's about 3000 years older and 3000 richer than ours and
> > certainly deserves
* r (Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:30:34 -0700 (PDT))
> We don't support a Python group in Chinese or French, so why this?
"We" do - you don't (or to be more realistic, you simply didn't know
it).
> Makes no sense to me really.
Like probably 99.9% of all things you hear, read, see and encounter
duri
r wrote:
> Some may say well how can we possibly force countries/people to speak/
> code in a uniform manner? Well that's simple, you just stop supporting
> their cryptic languages by dumping Unicode and returning to the
> beautiful ASCII and adopting English as the universal world language.
v>
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:22:00 -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:07:17PM EDT, Neil Hodgson wrote:
>> Benjamin Peterson:
>
>> > Like Sanskrit or Snowman language?
>
>> Sanskrit is mostly written in Devanagari these days which is also
>> useful for selling things to people who s
Chris Jones:
> Is the implication that the principal usefulness of such languages as
> Hindi and "other Indian languages" is us selling "things" to them..?
Unicode was developed by a group of US corporations: Xerox, Apple,
Sun, Microsoft, ... The main motivation was to avoid dealing with
mult
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:14:55 -0700, John Nagle wrote:
> It may be a bit much that Unicode supports Cretan Linear B.
Thousands of historians who need to discuss Linear B would disagree.
Well, hundreds.
There are tens of thousands of characters available. If there's room for
chess pieces, dingb
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