Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-11 Thread Alister
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:10:41 +, Alister wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:52:36 +, Bob Martin wrote: >we dont have "Daylight saving time" we switch between GMT (Greenwich >Mean Time) and BST (British Summer Time) at some point in the past we >have also used DST (Double Summer Tim

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-11 Thread Alister
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:10:41 +, Alister wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:52:36 +, Bob Martin wrote: >we dont have "Daylight saving time" we switch between GMT (Greenwich >Mean Time) and BST (British Summer Time) at some point in the past we >have also used DST (Double Summer Tim

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-11 Thread Alister
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:52:36 +, Bob Martin wrote: we dont have "Daylight saving time" we switch between GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) and BST (British Summer Time) at some point in the past we have also used DST (Double Summer Time). >>> >>> British Summer Time *is* Daylight Saving Time

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 10 January 2014 21:52:49 Dennis Lee Bieber did opine: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:55:37 + (UTC), Grant Edwards > > declaimed the following: > >It got darned cold here in Minnesota on Monday (-23F in Minneapolis, > >-35F in Embarass), but Hell is in Michigan -- where it only got down >

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 714281 20140110 090409 Alister wrote: >On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:31:11 +, Bob Martin wrote: > >> in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister wrote: >>>On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>> On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben F

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-10 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Peter Pearson wrote: > Around 30 years ago, the Wall Street Journal ran an opinion piece > advocating the abandonment of time zones and the unification of the > globe into a single glorious time zone. After enumerating the > efficiencies to be achieved by this system, the writer b

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 10 January 2014 15:24:11 Mark Lawrence did opine: > On 10/01/2014 18:48, MRAB wrote: > > On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: > >> On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >>> What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't > >>> h

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-01-10, Mark Lawrence wrote: > Hell will freeze over first. But apparently it already has in > Minnesota. Drat, drat and double drat!!! It got darned cold here in Minnesota on Monday (-23F in Minneapolis, -35F in Embarass), but Hell is in Michigan -- where it only got down to -15F.

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 10/01/2014 18:48, MRAB wrote: On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play online, and new pl

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread MRAB
On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play online, and new players are most welcome, as are peo

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-10 Thread Peter Pearson
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] > What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle > DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play > online, and new players are most welcome, as are people watching!), > and the Aussies (myse

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Alister
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:31:11 +, Bob Martin wrote: > in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister wrote: >>On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> >>> On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > I'm approaching it

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-09 Thread Bob Martin
in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister wrote: >On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney >>> wrote: I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking about when I a

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-09 Thread Dave Angel
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [1] For those who aren't right up on timezone trivia, AZ has no DST. Similarly the Australian state of Queensland does not shift its clocks. And Indiana. -- DaveA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-09 Thread Alister
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney >> wrote: >>> I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking >>> about when I advocate scrapping the whole DST system :-) >> >>

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-08 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney wrote: I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking about when I advocate scrapping the whole DST system :-) I would definitely support the scrapping of DST. I'm less sure that we need

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-08 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking > about when I advocate scrapping the whole DST system :-) I would definitely support the scrapping of DST. I'm less sure that we need exactly 24 timezones around the world, tho

Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-08 Thread Ben Finney
Chris Angelico writes: > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > With time zones, as with text encodings, there is a single > > technically elegant solution (for text: Unicode; for time zones: > > twelve simple, static zones that never change) > > Twelve or twenty-four? Twenty-fou