Re: [Standards] Inconsistent Subscriptions in XMPP

2009-04-10 Thread Mridul Muralidharan
--- On Sat, 11/4/09, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > From: Peter Saint-Andre > Subject: Re: [Standards] Inconsistent Subscriptions in XMPP > To: "XMPP Standards" > Date: Saturday, 11 April, 2009, 4:04 AM > On 4/1/09 12:07 PM, Mridul > Muralidharan wrote: > > > > If I recall right, probe can be s

Re: [Standards] XMPP-IM - presence subscription handling

2009-04-10 Thread Jiří Zárevúcký
2009/4/11 Peter Saint-Andre : > > My feedback is: don't waste time on this kind of project. The problems > with backwards-compatibility make it infeasible. > > Peter > Yeah. I sometimes get very stupid ideas. Sorry about that. :)

Re: [Standards] various rfc3920bis feedback

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/24/09 2:14 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > On Tue Feb 24 00:31:25 2009, Pavel Simerda wrote: >> * bidirectional s2s could be announced in sent >> right after the opening tag from the initiator. >> >> > Well... > > What you need is to: > > a) Signal the ability of the receiver to handle featur

Re: [Standards] various rfc3920bis feedback

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/24/09 3:10 AM, Philipp Hancke wrote: > Dave Cridland wrote: >> On Tue Feb 24 00:31:25 2009, Pavel Simerda wrote: >>> * bidirectional s2s could be announced in sent >>> right after the opening tag from the initiator. > > Unidirectional S2S has been around for too long, I do not see a real

Re: [Standards] various rfc3920bis feedback

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/24/09 12:14 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: > Pavel Simerda wrote: > * connection reuse for multiple s2s links would be a very useful > feature, ask Dave for details Piggybacking. >>> Which is subtly broken in RFC 3920 - at least 50% of it. >>> makes 'target piggybacking' (different

Re: [Standards] various rfc3920bis feedback

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/25/09 8:55 AM, Pavel Simerda wrote: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:14:27 +0100 > Philipp Hancke wrote: > >> Pavel Simerda wrote: >> * connection reuse for multiple s2s links would be a very useful >> feature, ask Dave for details > Piggybacking. Which is subtly broken in RFC 392

Re: [Standards] various rfc3920bis feedback

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/24/09 11:04 AM, Pavel Simerda wrote: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:14:13 + > Dave Cridland wrote: > > What I would like... is to have an easy-to-understand and > easy-to-implement piggybacking feature without unnecessary hassle. > >> In fact, by specifying how to do this without actually doi

Re: [Standards] Inconsistent Subscriptions in XMPP

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 4/7/09 12:45 AM, Philipp Hancke wrote: > hijacking the thread... two concrete examples where error handling > is needed: > > subscription state is "none" initially: > SENT: > RECV: type='set'> subscription='none' jid='f...@bar'/> > RECV: id='jcl_37'> xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanza

Re: [Standards] Inconsistent Subscriptions in XMPP

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 4/1/09 12:07 PM, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: > > If I recall right, probe can be sent to a full jid in case a directed > presence was received from it in the past - and the behavior would be > different (return last presence stanza sent iirc). Has that behavior > changed or is the description be

Re: [Standards] XMPP-IM - presence subscription handling

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/24/09 8:53 AM, Jiří Zárevúcký wrote: > Hello all. > > I've been thinking about the current subscription management in the > XMPP-IM for some time now. I think it's not very well designed. Where were you in 1999?!? We could have used your help back then. > For example, there's an obvious red

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Server-based Tic-tac-toe

2009-04-10 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Server-based Tic-tac-toe Abstract: This document defines how to play a Tic-tac-toe game over XMPP URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/tictactoe-mug.html The XMPP Council will decide at its next meeting whether to acc

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Tic-tac-toe

2009-04-10 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Tic-tac-toe Abstract: This document defines how to play a Tic-tac-toe game over XMPP URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/tictactoe.html The XMPP Council will decide at its next meeting whether to accept this proposa

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Multi-User Gaming

2009-04-10 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Multi-User Gaming Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension for multi-user gaming. URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/multi-user_gaming.html The XMPP Council will decide at its next meeting whether

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Instant Gaming

2009-04-10 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Instant Gaming Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension for serverless instant gaming in a one-to-one context. URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/instant-gaming.html The XMPP Council will decide a

Re: [Standards] Forwarding Delivery Draft

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 3/17/09 10:17 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 3/17/09 10:10 AM, Michael Grigutsch wrote: >> Hi! > > Hi MiGri! > >> In 2006 Peter Saint-Andre wrote a Draft for a JEP which would fill an >> important gap: It is about forwarding stanzas. >> You can find the document at >> http://xmpp.org/extens

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0198 (Stream Management)

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 4/10/09 1:10 AM, Robin Redeker wrote: > On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 07:19:11PM -0500, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: >> Version 0.8 of XEP-0198 (Stream Management) has been released. >> >> Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for active >> management of an XML stream betwe

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0198 (Stream Management)

2009-04-10 Thread Robin Redeker
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 07:19:11PM -0500, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: > Version 0.8 of XEP-0198 (Stream Management) has been released. > > Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for active > management of an XML stream between two XMPP entities, including features for