[Biofuel] David Suzuki on Disaster

2008-03-18 Thread Ken Provost
portunities and avoid threats continues to be just as critical in modern society. The challenge is to find why we are rejecting foresight, why we can't see what the real threats are that confront us. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /piperma

[Biofuel] Chris Skrebowski on Oil

2008-03-18 Thread Ken Provost
hirds of reserves. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080318/f17ce543/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/l

Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an 'ex' Peak Oil believer

2008-03-18 Thread Erik Lane
Hi Keith, and everyone else, > Sorry Chandan, I'm baffled by the EROEI arithmetic. > I just wanted to point out one thing about the arithmetic. No, I don't really understand it either, but I didn't really try. One thing that doesn't seem to have been said is that it might not matter as much, dep

[Biofuel] The reason for Spitzer's "outing".

2008-03-18 Thread Bob Molloy
Hi All, Do we need a reason for Spitzer’s “outing”? If so, here t’is. Regards, Bob. HYPERLINK "http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR200802130 2783.html"http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR 2008021302783.html __

Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an 'ex' Peak Oil believer

2008-03-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert Thanks, nice read as usual. Only got time for this right now, more later I hope... > Why do these discussions so often boil down to money? Because it's jolly nice stuff and the root of all evil? :-) There was a pop singer in Hong Kong named Money Cheng. She said in an interview

Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an 'ex' Peak Oil believer

2008-03-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chandan Very nice, some real cost accounting. It seems the argument went from "We're running out of oil" to "We're running out of cheap oil", but if "cheap" has anything to do with real costs then there's no such thing as cheap oil, and there probably never was. So are the real costs coming

Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an 'ex' Peak Oil believer

2008-03-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hello David >Keith, > >I'm confused as to the relevance of abiotic over biotic sources of oil. > >Given that Hubbert predicted the decline of US fields, I think his >approach may be relevant for any given field, whether abiotic or >biotic. Even if the source were to be abiotic, I think the probl

[Biofuel] Why Palast Is Wrong

2008-03-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2297/Why_Palast_Is_Wrong Why Palast Is Wrong Tue, 23 May 2006 12:28:39 -0500 By Greg Palast And why the oil companies don't want you to know it Now that I've convinced you that the Peak Oil crowd is crackers, let me disagree with myself. We can't understand the new

[Biofuel] No Peaking: The Hubbert Humbug

2008-03-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2295/No_Peaking_The_Hubbert_Humbug No Peaking: The Hubbert Humbug Tue, 23 May 2006 07:23:33 -0500 By Greg Palast What if everything you thought you knew about Peak Oil was wrong? Editor's note: This article is the first part in a two part series and should be read i