> On 27 May 2018, at 23:15, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
>
> Well, strip extra 32 bits, use slower memory and busses (extra decoding logic
> etc). Voila, you suddenly have platform that can run 99% of code in wild
> today with just few hundred mW of power. Try that with arm32, you would be
> surpris
On 05/28/18 06:15, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
be surprised how many software is technically compiling and all that,
but has some weird runtime issues with either byte order or unaligned
memory accesses.
Every single processor migration allows you to get rid of:
1) The software that is technically...
P.S.. Another interesting thing to consider is that original Intel patents
on i386 are going to expire sooner or later. Give it some time and we might
see completely open source i386 IPs one day, free for anyone to grab and
use. By today's standards i386 is rather trivial platform with many
indepen
Well, strip extra 32 bits, use slower memory and busses (extra decoding
logic etc). Voila, you suddenly have platform that can run 99% of code in
wild today with just few hundred mW of power. Try that with arm32, you
would be surprised how many software is technically compiling and all that,
but ha
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> So, when do we get to reprise this thread on -arch instead of svn-src-head?
>
I'm thinking sometime in July or August when I plan on submitting a draft
for a FCP for formalized deprecation for drivers (and another for arch) to
the communit
So, when do we get to reprise this thread on -arch instead of svn-src-head?
-Ben
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On Sat, May 26, 2018, 1:58 AM David Chisnall wrote:
> On 26 May 2018, at 00:41, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> >
> > If you've seen any of the atom bay trail systems in action you may
> understand what I mean. You get full blown x64 system with four cores and
> it takes only 2W of power.
>
> Which is pr
On 26 May 2018, at 00:41, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
>
> If you've seen any of the atom bay trail systems in action you may understand
> what I mean. You get full blown x64 system with four cores and it takes only
> 2W of power.
Which is pretty much my point - if you want a low-power x86 system for
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 09:27:43PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote:
> So we should have added an Ultra II off of ebay to our test matrix?
You've made your point. Next.
mcl
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On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Kurt Lidl wrote:
> On 5/24/18 3:22 PM, Matthew Macy wrote:
>>
>> i386 is definitely on the wane, but so long as it's used by more than
>> a handful of people it will be supported. All you need to know about
>> sparc64 vitality is that HEAD didn't boot for 3 months
On 5/24/18 3:22 PM, Matthew Macy wrote:
i386 is definitely on the wane, but so long as it's used by more than
a handful of people it will be supported. All you need to know about
sparc64 vitality is that HEAD didn't boot for 3 months until last week.
I stopped testing HEAD on sparc64 when the i
That again is very subjective view, David. Sorry. Arm32 is kinda kind of
the hill these days in the low-power/low cost space, but arm as a company
is much more interested it seems in going into server / mobile device space
rather than solidifying it's current de-facto kingdom. Those platforms
based
On Thu, 24 May 2018, 21:27-0700, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i386 is here
> to stay not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low
> power/low cost platform for at least 5-10 years to come.
[...]
At least I'd include vendors@ to this discu
In message <52678325-8265-4333-8c4f-2c8d53c82...@theravensnest.org>, David
Chisnall writes:
>On 25 May 2018, at 05:27, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
>>
>> The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i386 is here to
>stay not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low power/lo
On 25 May 2018, at 05:27, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
>
> The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i386 is here to stay
> not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low power/low cost
> platform for at least 5-10 years to come. There are plenty of applications in
> the world tha
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> The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i386 is here to stay
> not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low power/low cost
> platform for at least 5-10 years
The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i386 is here to stay
not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low power/low cost
platform for at least 5-10 years to come. There are plenty of applications
in the world that don't need > 3gb of memory space and have no use for
extra b
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:22:37PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote:
> All you need to know about sparc64 vitality is that HEAD didn't boot
> for 3 months until last week.
All you need to know is that -11 works fine, but, after so much drama
from various places, I haven't even bothered upgrading any of m
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:51 AM, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> On 05/23/18 20:09, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>
>> FWIW;
>>
>> On 23/05/2018 17:18, Cy Schubert wrote:
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On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 11:18:38AM -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> And while I like to see sparc64s still kicking around, they are stopping us
> from getting rid of GCC once and for all.
False. mips and powerpc still build with gcc.
I understand there will be an effort at BSDCan to work out the
re
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 03:18:59PM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote:
> In message <20180523202228.gc58...@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net>, Brooks
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