Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread John Smith
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett : > Yeah. I don't think the slope is all that slippery. Lots of stuff is What I meant is, storing this type of information in meta data could end up being a dumping ground for a lot of things beyond simple differences between whatever is considered the most common. __

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:40 AM, John Smith wrote: > This is where meta information stored in state/country boundaries > could be useful, although that in itself could be a slippery slope of > storing too much data in meta lookup tables essentially... Yeah. I don't think the slope is all that sl

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:40 AM, John Smith wrote: > > 2009/12/14 Steve Bennett : > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: > >> And can I again please direct you to: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Consolidation_footway_cycleway_path > >> > >> If you want to find a resolut

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread John Smith
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett : > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: >> And can I again please direct you to: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Consolidation_footway_cycleway_path >> >> If you want to find a resolution to the footway/cycleway/path thing, >> please contribute your t

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: > And can I again please direct you to: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Consolidation_footway_cycleway_path > > If you want to find a resolution to the footway/cycleway/path thing, > please contribute your thoughts there. My feeling is that

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Liz wrote: > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Liz wrote: >> we're having another discussion about this same point concurrently on >> t...@openstreetmap.org >> and making a number of suggestions there >> care to join in? > bum steer > tagg...@openstreetmap.org And can I again

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. I guess the rendering could use some enhancement in that case. I know the cycle layer only renders ways differently that have cycleway, when perhaps they could have a rendering for non-car ways that have (or imply) bicycle=yes as well. Most printed maps for cyclists I have seen only different

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Ben Kelley wrote: > I would have thought the routing should be based on the bicycle=yes > (explicit or implied). > > Ben. > And if the router is the one in a human brain reading a printed map how does it know that /this/ red dotted line takes bikes by design, and that /this/

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
Ben Kelley wrote: > I would have thought the routing should be based on the bicycle=yes (explicit > or implied). It certainly is on the routable Garmin cycling maps that I make. But I take the liberty of colouring the route a little differently for highway=footway and highway=cycleway. And I

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Ben Kelley
I would have thought the routing should be based on the bicycle=yes (explicit or implied). Ben. -Original Message- From: Liz Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 19:43 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways I've just put a lot of definitions on the

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
Liz wrote: > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, John Henderson wrote: > without changing any of the track/cycleway/path stuff > mark a shared path as highway=cycleway > because then they are visible as cycleways to the renderer and to the router. > the presence of a painted line down the middle of the track is

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Liz
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, John Henderson wrote: > Liz wrote: > > I've just put a lot of definitions on the wiki stolen from (and > > attributed to) the Australian Road Rules > > concerning the various types of footpaths and bicycle paths and lanes > > > > We have "Shared Path" to be tagged 'footway' wit

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread John Henderson
Liz wrote: > I've just put a lot of definitions on the wiki stolen from (and attributed > to) > the Australian Road Rules > concerning the various types of footpaths and bicycle paths and lanes > > We have "Shared Path" to be tagged 'footway' with bicycle=yes > > I'd like to suggest that a sha

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Liz
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Liz wrote: > we're having another discussion about this same point concurrently on > t...@openstreetmap.org > and making a number of suggestions there > care to join in? bum steer tagg...@openstreetmap.org ___ Talk-au mailing list T

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Liz
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Evan Sebire wrote: > Why are we still using cycleway/footway, please describe only the > properties of the path. If the routing/rendering software is dumb/simple > that doesn't mean we must be! > The tags for describing paths properties are fairly stable and that is what > the

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Evan Sebire
Why are we still using cycleway/footway, please describe only the properties of the path. If the routing/rendering software is dumb/simple that doesn't mean we must be! The tags for describing paths properties are fairly stable and that is what the software should be using. Smoothness, width,

[talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-12 Thread Liz
I've just put a lot of definitions on the wiki stolen from (and attributed to) the Australian Road Rules concerning the various types of footpaths and bicycle paths and lanes We have "Shared Path" to be tagged 'footway' with bicycle=yes I'd like to suggest that a shared path has been designed fo