Kamil Paral wrote on Fri, 20 Dec 2013 05:00:24 -0500
>The bandwidth problem should be solved by a simple program:
>a. you run it on computer A (lacking bandwidth) - it gathers the list of
>installed packages and exports a file
>b. then you run it on computer B (good bandwidth) - feed it the file
> Given that, I propose re-wording as follows:
>
> "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical
> mechanism of a release-blocking live image after an installation of that
> image must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test."
I have read the whole thread
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 09:45 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > I really would like to see other people's proposals in this area. I'm
> > not at all convinced I'm going to be the person who comes up with the
> > best idea. I'd love to know wha
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 09:45 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > I really would like to see other people's proposals in this area. I'm
> > not at all convinced I'm going to be the person who comes up with the
> > best idea. I'd love to know wha
On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> I really would like to see other people's proposals in this area. I'm
> not at all convinced I'm going to be the person who comes up with the
> best idea. I'd love to know what cmurf would suggest as an overall
> approach to designing a se
>With five Test Managers, become a Test Executive...
Sorry, Adam, just an attempt to give you opportunity to smile.
I am serious about the scalability issue, however. As you indicated, the
typical FOSS activity does not map readily into a classic business
hierarchical organization chart. I do n
On 15 December 2013 03:27, Richard Ryniker wrote:
>
> It is very crude, but I looked at how many models of USB flash drive
> Amazon sells directly and see:
>
> 512MB & Under 4
> 1GB39
> 2GB 176
> 4GB 378
> 8GB 518
> 16GBB
On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 17:47 +1300, Gavin Flower wrote:
> I don't know...
>
> Possibly charge a lot of money, give out fancy certificates, and ensure
> they have status and no real responsibilities!
oh, I like it.
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On 15/12/13 17:41, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 22:27 -0500, Richard Ryniker wrote:
Has Fedora QA discussed how much effort they should or can invest in
organization and facilitation of others' test activities? Direct
testing scales (approximately) linearly with number of peopl
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 22:27 -0500, Richard Ryniker wrote:
> Has Fedora QA discussed how much effort they should or can invest in
> organization and facilitation of others' test activities? Direct
> testing scales (approximately) linearly with number of people, but
> education, organization, and l
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, at 11:25:40 -0800 Adam Williamson
wrote:
One thing they've floated as an idea is to have a separate 'installation
environment' you could boot into from the live images - so you could
either boot into 'try it out' live mode, or 'install it' installer mode,
but not
On 12/14/2013 12:38 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
Indeed! There are environments/situations where there is no network
connectivity (at least to the Internet) and never will be. It is this type
of situations that will require a DVD.
I r
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
> Indeed! There are environments/situations where there is no network
> connectivity (at least to the Internet) and never will be. It is this type
> of situations that will require a DVD.
I run Fedora on a system that exists in on the side
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 13:47 -0500, Richard Ryniker wrote:
> The defining characteristic of the Live images is that they run
> without installation on a user's disks. Beyond that, they have the
> capability to install a minimal Fedora system to a local disk. Once
> the size limit for a live image
The defining characteristic of the Live images is that they run
without installation on a user's disks. Beyond that, they have the
capability to install a minimal Fedora system to a local disk. Once
the size limit for a live image is increased beyond the capacity of a
CD (or other common media),
On lau 14.des 2013 00:54, Adam Williamson wrote:
That requires will on the part of the desktop SIGs, though. QA is not
going to be responsible for this. My position is either the desktop SIGs
fix their stuff, or we will have to change the criteria as I proposed,
because what other choice do we h
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 07:31 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 18:49 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, then there's th
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 18:49 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, then there's the problem. We can't have release criteria
>> that say
>>
On 14/12/13 12:49, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Well, then there's the problem. We can't have release criteria
that say
"we really stand behind the package sets installed from the DVD" if we
don't.
That is true however the
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 18:49 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, then there's the problem. We can't have release criteria
> that say
> "we really stand behind the package s
Hi
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>
> Well, then there's the problem. We can't have release criteria that say
> "we really stand behind the package sets installed from the DVD" if we
> don't.
>
That is true however the solution is not to weaken the release criteria b
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 16:42 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:44 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > As I've said, if people are willing to actually go out and do that, then
> > fine. Does desktop team actively curate the DVD-installed package set?
> > And to play the counte
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:44 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> As I've said, if people are willing to actually go out and do that, then
> fine. Does desktop team actively curate the DVD-installed package set?
> And to play the counter-factual game: imagine there had been a bug
> analogous to https://
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:36 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not
> > consider this release criterion applicable/desired:
> >
> > "All applications that can be launched using the standard
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not
> consider this release criterion applicable/desired:
>
> "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical
> mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said:
> The DVD is releng/fesco responsibility, they dictate and decide
> what's on it and what not and how it's delivered not the
> sub-community's.
Really?
The KDE SIG has full access to change what gets installed when you
install from the DVD. If
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 05:54 -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
> On 12/13/2013 03:20 AM, poma wrote:
> > On 13.12.2013 08:25, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >
> >> >I argue that we should get rid of the DVD it's an era of the past and
> >> >just provide net-install iso and lives.
> > Probably there ar
On 12/13/2013 04:24 PM, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
> On 12/13/2013 03:20 AM, poma wrote:
>> On 13.12.2013 08:25, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>
>>> >I argue that we should get rid of the DVD it's an era of the past and
>>> >just provide net-install iso and lives.
>> Probably there are good reasons w
On 12/13/2013 12:55 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> On fös 13.des 2013 06:30, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 05:31 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>> On fös 13.des 2013 02:05, Adam Williamson wrote:
It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does no
On 12/13/2013 03:20 AM, poma wrote:
On 13.12.2013 08:25, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>I argue that we should get rid of the DVD it's an era of the past and
>just provide net-install iso and lives.
Probably there are good reasons why the DVD is still here.
Indeed! There are environments/sit
On 13.12.2013 08:25, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> I argue that we should get rid of the DVD it's an era of the past and
> just provide net-install iso and lives.
Probably there are good reasons why the DVD is still here.
poma
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On fös 13.des 2013 06:30, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 05:31 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On fös 13.des 2013 02:05, Adam Williamson wrote:
It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not
consider this release criterion applicable/desired:
"All applica
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 05:31 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On fös 13.des 2013 02:05, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not
> > consider this release criterion applicable/desired:
> >
> > "All applications that can be launched using the
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 05:38 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On fös 13.des 2013 04:06, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > it was -1'ed at go/no-go meeting in about five seconds. No-one voted +1
> > blocker on it.
>
> For the first I was not present there since I arrived later then usual
> due to $
On fös 13.des 2013 02:05, Adam Williamson wrote:
It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not
consider this release criterion applicable/desired:
"All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical
mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default insta
It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not
consider this release criterion applicable/desired:
"All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical
mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of
that desktop must start successfully and
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