Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming exercise

2012-05-08 Thread David
They will not be using a null steering antenna because of ITAR but IF notching is still a possibility. I suspect the easiest change is to use a superhetrodyne design so that all of the out of band rejection does not depend on the RF filter but it will cost the power and space of the local oscillat

Re: [time-nuts] Why 9,192,631,770 ??

2012-05-09 Thread David
James Burke did a whole episode of Connections on that subject: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL777ACC303F62C744 The oldest example of an automated phase locked loop I have heard of was used for calibrating newly built pendulum clocks to a master pendulum clock. On Wed, 9 May 2012 17:45:

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread David
Not being able to receive signals from GPS satellites anywhere below the horizon is an even larger problem for vertical accuracy. On Thu, 10 May 2012 13:59:51 +0100, "Rob Kimberley" wrote: >How accurate do you need your height? > >Remember that height is the least accurate of GPS parameters due

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-15 Thread David
On Tue, 15 May 2012 16:43:50 -0700, "Rick Karlquist" wrote: >saidj...@aol.com wrote: >> Yes, but the point is to not use end-termination for all the reasons >> mentioned by others in this thread, such as massive spike in power >> consumption >> once per second, over-voltage spikes if the terminat

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-22 Thread David
B&B sent me an email today advertising optically isolated USB to serial but the price awfully high for personal use: http://www.bb-elec.com/product_multi_family.asp?MultiFamilyId=133&Trail=45&TrailType=Main I have yet to be happy with any USB to serial conversion in legacy applications. They alw

Re: [time-nuts] Early WWV Oscillator

2012-08-14 Thread David
Switched bridge or sensor excitation is an old technique used to gain greater sensitivity for a given power without undue power dissipation in the sensor itself. The later can be important to prevent self heating in a temperature sensor. I suspect you could get most if not all of the benefit by u

Re: [time-nuts] Understanding Oliver Collins Paper "Design of Low Jitter Hard Limiters"

2012-08-21 Thread David
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:50:43 -0600, wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I am new to this forum. >It looks like a lively discussion on various topics. > >A colleague of mine here at Agilent pointed me to this paper entitled "The >Design of Low Jitter Hard Limiters" by Oliver Collins. In Bruce Griffith

Re: [time-nuts] Understanding Oliver Collins Paper "Design of Low Jitter Hard Limiters"

2012-08-22 Thread David
Do you mean with a 7404 hex inverter? I actually did something like this recently while adding a 75ns pre-trigger pulse to an existing fast rise pulse generator. The pre-trigger pulse ended up having significant pattern dependant jitter caused by the adjacent TTL divider chain modulating the supp

Re: [time-nuts] Understanding Oliver Collins Paper "Design of Low Jitter Hard Limiters"

2012-08-22 Thread David
can be useful >for the jitter analysis. Maybe a stable timebase and low jitter external >trigger input are essential. Unfortunately the TDS3012 has a 200ppm >timebase... > >On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:54 PM, David wrote: > >> Do you mean with a 7404 hex inverter? I actually d

Re: [time-nuts] Understanding Oliver Collins Paper "Design of Low Jitter Hard Limiters"

2012-08-23 Thread David
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:00:10 -0700, Hal Murray wrote: >jmulc...@cox.net said: >> The amount of jitter verses logic family is all over the place as well. Take >> a look at an LS verses an HCT vs an S family and you will see what I mean. >> Some of them are very nasty, and are not all created equal

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz line quirks, anybody recognize this stuff?

2012-09-03 Thread David
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:00:53 -0500, Graham / KE9H wrote: >On 9/1/2012 1:35 AM, Hal Murray wrote: >> The context is using the 60 Hz line for timing. >> >> I'm feeding 60 Hz from a wall wart transformer into a modem control signal >> that the kernel PPS stuff watches. Mostly, it works as expected,

Re: [time-nuts] REF osc distribution.

2012-09-05 Thread David
It is even more difficult when the schematic is wrong like in figure 1 where the emitter and collector of the PNP are reversed. On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:26:04 -0600, Tom Knox wrote: > >Hi Bob; >There are many designs I have seen employed at NIST that have low phase noise >and low noise floor. But

Re: [time-nuts] Automatic switching of a µC osc. to external 10MHz reference as clock?

2012-09-12 Thread David
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:42:48 +0200, "Peter Krengel" wrote: >I'm looking for a possibility to make an automatic switching >between the internal µC oscillator (Atmel µC) to the 10MHz output >of my thunderbolt to use it as a precise µC clock. Has anybody an idea how >to do best without disturbing t

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantization error

2012-09-14 Thread David
On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:08:53 -0700, Hal Murray wrote: >d...@montana.com said: >> Michael: Actually implementing a 16 bit DAC to its 1-bit minimum resolution >> will be headache enough. You will gain a real education in good grounding >> practice, shielding, power supply stability and noise, and o

Re: [time-nuts] usb gps devices

2012-09-26 Thread David
The pulse per second output on the Garmin serial/CMOS interface units is only specified to be within 1 microsecond. I guess they are commonly used to synchronize NTP servers where any extra precision would be lost in network transport anyway. I have been thinking of picking one up cheap to test s

Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?

2012-09-27 Thread David
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:59:48 -0400, Jeff Stevens wrote: >On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Hal Murray wrote: >> What do hams do in that environment? > >Hams either avoid HOAs and deed restricted property or they live with >the restrictions by placing their antennas in attics and other >inconspicu

Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?

2012-09-27 Thread David
e: >Hi > >The gotcha isn't the neighbors (who you can negotiate with) it's what ever >entity enforces the title restrictions. With the recent dip in sales, that may >be the original developer, still there a decade later …. > >Bob > >On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:30

Re: [time-nuts] BPSK Receiver & GPS Antenna siting

2012-09-27 Thread David
I have been thinking about this problem on and off over the last couple of days. Would it be better to take the absolute value rather than squaring the signal? I might try some tricky but impractical analog sampling and/or synchronous demodulation recovery method but the Costas loop looks awfully

Re: [time-nuts] RFX GPSDO - Anybody played with one of these?

2012-09-30 Thread David
Offhand I can not think of any reason it could not exist but if you have to ask for the price, then I suspect it will be too expensive. On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:40:47 -0700, Skip Withrow wrote: >Hello Nuts, > >Just saw this mentioned in Circuit Cellar, just wonding if it really >exists, how much t

Re: [time-nuts] Best counter setting for ADEV?

2012-10-02 Thread David
Is there a list of GPS timing receivers that provide the sawtooth correction message or implement sawtooth correction internally? I assume there is a design compromise that prevents economically phase locking the GPS receiver clock to the GPS signal to remove that contribution to timing error. On

Re: [time-nuts] Best counter setting for ADEV?

2012-10-02 Thread David
-Original Message- >From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On >Behalf Of David >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:04 PM >To: Tom Van Baak; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Best counter setting for

Re: [time-nuts] Best counter setting for ADEV?

2012-10-02 Thread David
can use it rather than change the GPS receiver hardware. On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 12:57:15 -0700, "Tom Van Baak" wrote: >Mark, > >All GPSDO "remove that contribution to timing error" by virtue of the quartz >"fly-wheel". >I think David was asking about GPS

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Jammer

2012-10-02 Thread David
On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:01:45 +0200, Magnus Danielson wrote: >On 10/02/2012 10:43 PM, J. Forster wrote: >> Take a look at the specs of this unit: >> >> http://www.mobilephonejammer.com.au/covert-gps-jammer-portable-p-119.html >> >> The Power Output is 0.5 Watts and it claims a jamming range of 1-1

Re: [time-nuts] Tracking NTP displacement and correlation betweentwo clients.

2012-10-04 Thread David
. Disabling the low power CPU state fixed it until a BIOS update was released. It has been a while but as I recall, the NTP client kept the OS from drifting further behind but the time was still noticeably off. On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 00:42:42 -0400, Bob Bownes wrote: >David, > >The proble

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
What aspects of USB would HP have used? Just the complexity of a USB OHCI/UHCI would have been economically prohibitive compared to an asynchronous serial UART. An OHCI/UHCI is more like an ethernet controller and those took up the space of entire expansion boards initially. What they did come

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
Ah well, I missed it but only because I have seen other people make the same suggestion seriously in the recent past. Where is my box of 2102 DRAMs? I left it around here somewhere. On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:15:32 -0400, paul swed wrote: >David it was humor >Regards > >On Wed, Oct 10

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
tting here coding it into a new product right now (once >the uber super compiler finishes a build). It's supported on just about >every chip set in the universe. I suspect it will outlive the cockroaches. > >Bob > >-Original Message- >From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [m

Re: [time-nuts] Timing performance of servers

2012-10-26 Thread David
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 12:53:02 -0500, Dennis Ferguson wrote: >> Also, some antennas are better at rejecting low angle signals than others. >> While the software can reject some undesired signals, it can only do so if >> the software can identify them as separate. If the multipath signal >> destr

Re: [time-nuts] NavSync CW12 and CW25

2008-08-07 Thread David
_E8-X. pdf This appears to use a DDS/PLL to clean the reference clock rather than a large and expensive OCXO. Starting afresh I may have gone for the CW25 but I've got the CW12 so not thought much more about it. Regards David Mackenzie (GM4HJQ) __

Re: [time-nuts] NavSync CW12 and CW25

2008-08-16 Thread David
ted to you, I suspect they have been off the market for years. At the moment the OCXO is happily locking down and vastly cleaner than the CW25 output, given time I want to modify my 60kHz (MSF) time signal receiver before I review the PLL in the GPS. Regards David _

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread David
I fear are best read with care alongside some other histories to maintain balance. Regards David > -Original Message- > Hej Magnus > > A capacitive sensing AC bridge can be very sensitive, one only has to > look at the work of RV Jones at the university of Glasgow in

Re: [time-nuts] Need a simple ID for some gear

2008-10-03 Thread David
> I don't know a whole bunch about microwave gear, so I need a > little help. I came across a small box in a pile this > evening and I don't have a clue what it is. > > It's a T construct, with SMAs at both ends of the horizontal. > The vertical end looks like it's terminated to gnd. > Int

Re: [time-nuts] Agilent 53132A Needs Help

2009-01-26 Thread David
a very brief play with the 'faulty' ones and things seemed to work after the fault message was acknowledged, I could not see any symptoms other than the self test error message. A nice counter but I'm getting ever more nervous about the ability of current test equipment to survive

Re: [time-nuts] Pre-industrial timekeeping accuracy RE: Lifetime of glass containers

2009-06-15 Thread David
I'm getting slightly suspicious about the assumptions as to what was available 2000 years ago, the remarkable Antikythera Mechanism points to some technologies of 2000 years ago being almost up to medieval European standards. Clearly Antikythera indicates there were a few stunning items around, the

Re: [time-nuts] upgrading agilent 53132 counter

2009-10-01 Thread David
ommend that if you can store an image of the eproms when you have it open, I've seen quite a few reporting eprom errors on power up so I'm running on copies with the originals and their images in storage Regards David GM4HJQ ___ time-nuts m

Re: [time-nuts] upgrading agilent 53132 counter

2009-10-02 Thread David
want the image files I generated of good parts emailed, the set of images etc in various formats is about 1.7M (4 parts in 3 different file formats). David ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cg

Re: [time-nuts] upgrading agilent 53132 counter

2009-10-05 Thread David
opies of the flash data sheet. Regards David ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] 7150+ filter problem

2009-10-27 Thread David
blame next time. Besides, £25 for a mains filter is painful when the whole meter cost £20 via fleabay - it's one of those Scottish things. David GM4HJQ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] O/T, Time Tax & Pub Clocks

2010-02-07 Thread David
>From the BBC: "A pub clock dating back to the introduction of a tax on timepieces more than 200 years ago has sold at auction for £8,800. The George III Act of Parliament clock, decorated with hunting scenes, was made around 1797 and was once on the wall of a tavern. It was discovered in a hous

[time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread David
ly sync the watch to your GPS / Rubidium / Caesium / Maser standards and calibrate the watch drift (including temp effects) etc. It might be a bit of a trick to get Lady Heather to run on it. Links: www.ti.com/ez430 www.ti.com/chronoswiki David _

Re: [time-nuts] Setting clocks 100 years ago

2010-11-06 Thread David
> Other Timeballs that I know are Another for the list, some of you will have visited Edinburgh which has run a time gun and ball since the 1860s. I'll spare you the usual links, the foot of this link shows the time gun correction maps that the Edinburgh time nut of the 1860s would would

[time-nuts] JJY 40, Fukushima

2011-03-28 Thread David
I've not seen it mentioned but VLF time stations are on topic here. I saw that the Mount Ootakadoya VLF (40kHz) transmitter in Fukushima prefecture is off air : "Time Signal. 50kW. Transmission is stopped since 10h46 UT on March 12, 2011 because of the evacuation of the area around the Fukush

Re: [time-nuts] How accurate are cheap radio controlled clocks?

2011-06-26 Thread David
I've got one of the cheap radio-controlled clocks? I was listing to radio 4 the other day and herd the time signal. The radio controlled clock was about 3 seconds off. I was a bit surprised it was so far off. I'm just wondering how accurate these things are. David, Be aware that if

[time-nuts] LightSquared again.

2011-07-28 Thread David
This might amuse, "LightSquared promises to replace satellite push-to-talk kit" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/27/lightsquared_ptt/ -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2011-12-30 Thread David
What kind of performance would you expect in this application? Low jitter? 50 ohm output? TTL or better signal levels? Fast rise and fall times? Duty cycle correction? After reading your post I was thinking about how to go about it and ended up with an 8 transistor discrete design using a dif

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2011-12-30 Thread David
There is no reason you can not do that. It is tricky because the low comparison frequency limits the loop bandwidth like any sampled data system and the analog requirements for the low frequency design become an issue do to leakage and the impedance levels needed. The long time constants involved

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2011-12-30 Thread David
Did you test the LTC1655 INL? The data sheet says plus or minus 20 counts maximum. I suspect Linear Technology designed those low DNL high INL parts for just this sort of application where only monotonic behavior really matters. Their equivalent current output DAC costs about twice as much not i

[time-nuts] Used Rb Operating Lifetime

2011-12-31 Thread David
I agree that they are an amazing value but what kind of operating lifetime do the Rb tubes have? SRS has this to say: >Historically, the lifetime of rubidium frequency standards has been >dominated by rubidium depletion in the discharge lamp. To avoid excess >flicker noise, manufacturers would lo

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2011-12-31 Thread David
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:56:46 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: >This looks like fun to me, but I like writing that sort of code. Note that >it doesn't need an OS or even any libraries. Both designs look fun to me but for different reasons. The analog design requires attention to leakage and noise whil

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2012-01-01 Thread David
Jim Williams did this in one of his designs for measuring low frequency reference noise. The large value low leakage wet tantalum capacitor he used was like $400 and it took 24 hours for the dielectric absorption to settle: http://www.linear.com/docs/28585 You can get the necessary time constant

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2012-01-01 Thread David
(MST), "Don Latham" wrote: >Aren't there op-amp circuits that create a large capacitance? The gyrator? >Don > >David >> Jim Williams did this in one of his designs for measuring low >> frequency reference noise. The large value low leakage wet tantalum &g

Re: [time-nuts] Used Rb Operating Lifetime

2012-01-01 Thread David
I think even my old Icom 706 would work that way. It has the high stability option installed. From what I remember from the service manual, every mixer has its local oscillator frequency locked to the master oscillator through either a PLL or DDS which makes passband shifting via the IF frequenci

Re: [time-nuts] Doppler Design

2012-01-01 Thread David
e. An interferometer, using an analogy to optics, would be mixing >the received spectrum prior to any detection. I would say it is still an interferometer. It relies on measuring coherent phase information. >The AR-One-C is set up for this type of DFing. >> http://www.aorusa.com/

Re: [time-nuts] Rigol DS1102E down to $400

2012-01-01 Thread David
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:30:24 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: >A while ago, Rigol dropped the price of their 100 MHz 2 channel scope to be >the same as their 50 MHz version. That was low enough for me. Since then, >they dropped the 50 MHz version to $330. > http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-os

Re: [time-nuts] US New Year countdown - accurate?

2012-01-01 Thread David
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:20:36 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote: >On 01/02/2012 06:09 AM, David I. Emery wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 05:54:46PM -0800, J. Forster wrote: >>> To me the ball drop/fireworks was different from the on-screen time on FOX >>> by a few secnds

Re: [time-nuts] US New Year countdown - accurate?

2012-01-01 Thread David
This sounds like a perfect application for applying antenna wax to coaxial cable. On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:33:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00), "Richard W. Solomon" wrote: >You can't even get two TV's in the same house in sync with Dish Network !! > >The smaller TV in the kitchen gets the feed about a second

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread David
he holy grail and it is questionable if a discrete >> design is way better than one of the chips. >> >> >> Here is another limiter circuit (by Chris Trask): >> http://ehydra.dyndns.info/NG/LTspice/Negative%20Impedance%20LO%20Driver.pdf >> >> >> - H

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread David
esign is way better than one of the chips. > > >Here is another limiter circuit (by Chris Trask): >http://ehydra.dyndns.info/NG/LTspice/Negative%20Impedance%20LO%20Driver.pdf > > >- Henry > > >David schrieb: >> What kind of performance would you expect in this appl

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2012-01-02 Thread David
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:14:37 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: > >> Time constant is just R*C. If you have a 1000uF cap and a 1K resistor you >> have 1 second. In theory you could build 100s just by using a 100K resistor >> but I think real world components are not perfect enough. > >Does anybody know

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-03 Thread David
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:01:13 +0100, ehydra wrote: >David schrieb: >> I could analyze it on SPICE but I suspect the real world construction >> parasitics will be what limits the performance. I just sketched it >> out in my notebook but I will see if I can post it somewhere.

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread David
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:58:24 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: >With a XOR, you can't tell which input is higher frequency. I think you can >fix that with a second XOR and a delay line. > >I think 90 degrees of delay will provide the most information. At 10 MHz, >that's 25 ns. I think that's about 15

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-05 Thread David
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:44:13 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: >albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: >> >> Have an older Tek 465 scope that is in only "fair" shape and I see nothing >> on that pin but milivolt level sine wave of about 60MHz. I can't set the >> scope to show any hint of a PPS ... > >I do have

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-05 Thread David
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:54:31 +0100, EB4APL wrote: >On 05/01/2012 16:49, David wrote: >> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:44:13 -0800, Hal Murray >> wrote: >> >>> albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: >>>> Have an older Tek 465 scope that is in only "fair" s

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance - 1 PPS output issue

2012-01-05 Thread David
al amplifier, so I can >> apply a 20MHz low pass filter and about 20X voltage gain. >> >> The documentation I have says pin 6 is "N/C" but it looks like there is a >> way to extract a usable PPS but I think I'm going to need and LC filter, >> some op amps a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-05 Thread David
Doh! Hopefully anything directly connected to that 5 volt supply pin can be replaced if neccessary. On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:37:06 +0100, EB4APL wrote: >I found it, I used the +15 V of my triple output supply to power the >pin 4, +5 V input. A 75ACT240 popped up and who knows the health of the

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply for 'Bay FE-5680A?

2012-01-06 Thread David
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:47:47 +0100, mike cook wrote: >Le 06/01/2012 17:02, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R a écrit : >> The Tech Manual does not call for heat sinking (unless I missed >> something). >> The top has labels over much of the surface. >> The bottom has a plastic sheet between the circui

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread David
I just did this search for similar application. The cheapest stuff they have is expanded polystyrene bead sheet which is easy enough to work with but may be too thick (3/4") or not as durable as you want. I made a hot wire cutting element for my Weller soldering gun out of a length of 10 gauge cop

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread David
I completely forgot about those two. I have a good local hobby shop with large pieces of balsa wood but I suspect it would be more expensive than good quality expanded polystyrene bead sheet. I will have to check out foam board next time. Both would be more difficult to cut without a hot wire kn

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread David
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:33:19 -0500, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: >On 1/6/2012 4:14 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: > >> Before making this into a science project, consider this data >> point: We converted the oscillator in a 10811 to run in mode >> B at 10.95 MHz. The tempco in mode B is about 30 ppm p

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread David
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:08:18 -0500, Joe Gwinn wrote: >At 10:15 PM + 1/6/12, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: >>Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:41:13 -0600 >>From: David >>To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> >>Subject: Re: [tim

Re: [time-nuts] Getting my Rockwell D200 GPS to work

2012-01-07 Thread David
I have done the same thing with an amplified patch antenna facing out the window. I wonder in this case if making a rough 1/4 wave antenna out of a very short feedline would be enough for a cheap outdoor sanity check. On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:21:09 +, shali...@gmail.com wrote: >I test all my GP

Re: [time-nuts] Getting my Rockwell D200 GPS to work

2012-01-07 Thread David
ust take care that GPS signal is right-hand circularly polarized. For >those interested in building GPS antennae I recommend the QFH-type antenna: >quite complex but it is the same antenna actually used to transmit from the >birds. > >On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM, David wrote: &g

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature and signal amp for 'Bay FE-5680A?

2012-01-07 Thread David
The FD-5680A specifications say the output is a 0.5 V RMS sine wave into 50 ohms so there are lots of options if that is the signal you want to distribute. There are a number of medium power operational amplifiers specified for video applications which will operate at a gain of 2 allowing back ter

Re: [time-nuts] Getting my Rockwell D200 GPS to work

2012-01-07 Thread David
pretty or high performance but it will be cheap in money and time and may restore sanity. On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:25:19 -0600, "Don Lewis" wrote: >How long a wire? >-Original Message- >From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On >Behalf Of

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature and signal amp for 'Bay FE-5680A?

2012-01-07 Thread David
Most of the gear I have expects TTL levels or better. A 0.6 volt RMS sine wave (1.2 volts peak to peak) could be a problem. As far as ringing, I would design something with back termination and slew rate limiting and expect the receiver to terminate to ground which is almost always the situation.

Re: [time-nuts] Internal 5 volt switching regulator on some "non-programmable" FE-5680A's

2012-01-08 Thread David
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:23:02 -0800, Orin Eman wrote: >On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Clint Turner wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> After posting a few days ago about one of my '5680A's having the voltage >> converter installed - but not connected - I've done a bit of >> reverse-engineering and sleuthing

Re: [time-nuts] Simple GPSDO

2012-01-08 Thread David
On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 03:05:36 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote: >On 12/31/2011 08:15 AM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: >> I know the thread began with a request for a "simple" DIY GPSDO, and >> this may not be quite as simple as some might like. However, PPS >> discipline is generally the simplest and

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature and signal amp for 'Bay FE-5680A?

2012-01-10 Thread David
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:57:49 +1300, Bruce Griffiths wrote: >Hal Murray wrote: >> >> The TADD-3 uses 3 AC drivers in parallel, each going through a 51 ohm >> resistor. Changing those resistors to 150 ohms should work. Maybe a bit >> lower to account for the impedance in the drivers. I'd proba

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-11 Thread David
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:35:56 -0600, Bob Smither wrote: >Joseph Gray wrote: >> I'm not seeing a PPS on either of these. All I see is about 17 mV P-P >> of noise that looks like a multi-stepped sine wave. I'm using a TDS >> 340 scope. > >I can see the 1 usec, 1pps on mine, but only if I use an anal

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-11 Thread David
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:37:02 -0800, Chris Albertson wrote: >On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: >> I'm not seeing a PPS on either of these. All I see is about 17 mV P-P >> of noise that looks like a multi-stepped sine wave. I'm using a TDS >> 340 scope. >> > >PPS is likely there

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-11 Thread David
How would a GPSDRbO work? Phase lock the DDS output to the GPS? Phase lock a VCXO to the GPS and then phase lock to the RbO on loss of GPS lock? On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:55:58 -0600, "J. L. Trantham" wrote: >Bill, Brian, Bill, and Peter, > >Thanks for the info. All I need now is a 'project' to i

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-11 Thread David
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:44:47 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: >> How would a GPSDRbO work? > >The same as if you were building a GPSDO using a quartz oscillator. Since >the Rb has better long term stability, you can use a longer time constant on >the filter. But how do you adjust the RgO output frequ

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-12 Thread David
that the RbO can be adjusted with an external magnetic field. On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:34:44 -0600, "J. L. Trantham" wrote: >David, > >I have been following discussions on the list about a GPSDRbO for a year or >so. Some interesting challenges and probably best implemented in a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-12 Thread David
ut they all suffer from DDS and >tuning noise. I see now that the RbO can be adjusted with an external >magnetic field. > >On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:34:44 -0600, "J. L. Trantham" >wrote: > >>David, >> >>I have been following discussions on the list

Re: [time-nuts] Controlling FEI 5680A

2012-01-15 Thread David
I would just use a PIC, AVR, or ARM even if I had to use more than one with some discrete logic on the side but I like solder, assembly, and low level coding in that order. If I find a small, cheap, easy to use, and general purpose FPGA, I may look into that as well. MIPS may be a special case fo

Re: [time-nuts] Simple Super Ripple Eater

2012-01-16 Thread David
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:48:24 -0500, michael taylor wrote: >On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM, John Lofgren wrote: >> There have been discussions in the past about ways to reduce regulator >> output noise or clean-up oscillator or voltage reference power supplies.   >> Here's an article from Desi

Re: [time-nuts] NTP for 64 bit windows

2012-01-17 Thread David
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:46:19 +0100, "Anthony G. Atkielski" wrote: >> Has anyone come across a NTP client that uses native 64 Win 7 code? I've >> noticed all the 64 bit versions are running under WOW. I've use Meinberg >> now found another source out of Poland. > >Windows has long had its own buil

Re: [time-nuts] 5370A on ebay

2012-01-17 Thread David
Oh great. Now everybody knows. :) On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:43:24 -0500, Bob Bownes wrote: >if anyone is looking for a 5370, there is one on ebay that is currently >listed for $29+shipping... > >http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-5370A-Universal-Time-Interval-Counter-/160714650831?pt=LH_DefaultDo

Re: [time-nuts] Labeling project boxes/panels

2012-01-21 Thread David
I layout the design I want (autocad) and print it reversed 1:1 on overhead projector film. Then I cut and mount it printed side down with 3M Super 77 spray adhesive. The mylar film is very tough and resistant to solvents. I use an ink jet but a laser printer should work as well. A similar proce

Re: [time-nuts] 15 volt power supply for FE-5680A on eBay

2012-01-21 Thread David
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:20:39 -0600, "Paul F. Sehorne" wrote: >On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Chris Albertson >wrote: What I bought is a 15V open frame supply from allelectronics.com for $11.50. It turned out to be a very high quality power supply (Digikey has the same unit for

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread David
The package is a TO-202 with the tab cut off or at least the MPS-U51 uses a TO-202 package. Be careful when you replace it because the pinout is EBC which is deprecated in power transistor packages. Ic = 2.0 A Vceo = 30 V Pd = 1 W @ Ta 25 C hfe = 60 @ 0.1 A Ft = 50 MHz min This is a very non-cri

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-23 Thread David
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:27:32 -0500, "Charles P. Steinmetz" wrote: >Stan wrote: > >>The 5328A manual I have shows a 3.5 V supply (looks like it is used just >>for the display). But with a bit lower Vce sat drops, I'd guess you >>get around >>1 V across the 10 ohm segment resistors. Or only abou

Re: [time-nuts] establishing your position w/o gps

2012-01-24 Thread David
I think James Burke discussed these clocks in one of his documentary series. Besides not using a pendulum, they were temperature compensated by using materials with opposite temperature coefficients of expansion and then gimbaled for use on a rolling and pitching ship. Oddly enough, the phase loc

Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO & trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-29 Thread David
The sawtooth error in the PPS output and how they were able to correct it externally was interesting. I have seen that kind of problem before in DDS and other applications. I wonder what other GPS receivers provide either PPS outputs without sawtooth noise or a correction message. On Sun, 29 Jan

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread David
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:27:30 -0800, Chris Albertson wrote: >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: >> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:07:23 -0500 >> John Ackermann N8UR wrote: >> >>> There've been numerous threads on the Gnuradio mailing list about code >>> to receive GPS using the Ettus Re

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A 1 pps photo

2012-02-02 Thread David
Odd. Did Tektronix mark it Fluke PM3082? :) It is nice to know that the current generation of digital cameras can be used for this application. It is too bad that the image has so much noise. On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 16:27:03 +, John Howell wrote: >and here's another photo of the pulse

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A 1 pps photo

2012-02-04 Thread David
The probe compensation could be off. What type of vertical plug-in was used? The Tektronix 11000 series of oscilloscopes scare me. On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:36:13 -0800, Rex wrote: >Good image. > >So, if I read that right it is a pulse about 1 uS wide and goes from >base of zero volts to about 5

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-07 Thread David
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 08:28:14 +0100, Attila Kinali wrote: >On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:55:36 -0900 (AKST) >"Richard H McCorkle" wrote: > >>While using a faster timebase or higher interpolator gain increases >> the resolution that doesn?t imply the accuracy will also increase. The >> PICTIC II uses C

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-07 Thread David
Step recovery diodes turn off fast but have a relatively long storage time. The fastest switched current integrators use schottky diodes. On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 14:06:55 +0100, Azelio Boriani wrote: >To enhance the PICTIC II performance can step recovery diodes be used? >Maybe the fast turn off can

Re: [time-nuts] GPS lock of the FE5680. Current experiment and question

2012-02-10 Thread David
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:35:26 -0800, Chris Albertson wrote: >On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> I think you will need some sort of analog detector to get what you are >> looking for. > >I don't think it needs to be analog. For example you can xor the two >10MHz signal

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