Re: Topband: Radials help (Mark van Wijk)

2012-02-11 Thread Gary and Kathleen Pearse
Public domain edition also available in downloadable Format: http://snulbug.mtview.ca.us/books/RadioAntennaEngineering/ 73 Gary NL7Y > Herb, > > Radio Antenna Engineering, published in 1952. It was written by Edmund > Laport. It is available from > Lulu Enterprises > 3101 Hillsborough Street >

Re: Topband: Radials help (Mark van Wijk)

2012-02-11 Thread Price Smith
Herb, Radio Antenna Engineering, published in 1952. It was written by Edmund Laport. It is available from Lulu Enterprises 3101 Hillsborough Street Raleigh, NC 27607 73 Price W0RI Mark, With all due respect to your comments.I want to know what I am building and why it is worth the eff

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread ZR
- Original Message - From: "Herb Schoenbohm" To: "W0UCE" Cc: "'topband reflector'" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array > Jack, > > As the all band demand would increase the load from a 100 users to > thou

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread ZR
. > I remember when 160 meter and EME enthusiast Sam Harris (forgot his > call) used the Arecibo Space Telescope for moon bounce. His efforts > began a whole new resurgence of interest in this communications mode. > now even some DX-peditions are trying it. That was the birth of EME, not a resurg

Re: Topband: Radials help (Mark van Wijk)

2012-02-11 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
Mark, With all due respect to your comments.I want to know what I am building and why it is worth the effort before I commence. Accordingly discussion on this reflector is invaluable digesting the pros and cons of any ideas. I can learn so much here without digging into Maxwells Equation

Re: Topband: Radials help (Mark van Wijk)

2012-02-11 Thread Mark van Wijk
Please do not abuse my wording. Or maybe I need to clarify. I DO welcome any discussion on exsting and new proposed antenna/ground systems. However, discussions tend to be jammed by people throwing in basic theories, papers, even laws of physics from those who seem to oppose a (valid) new idea

Topband: Your Thoughts on Antenna Design

2012-02-11 Thread PaulKB8N
I've always had a problem trying to hang an inverted L across my lot, as I have many trees, but only a couple that are about 40' high, and they are in close proximity of each other. I do run an inverted L from my back yard, over the top of my house (36' high) and into a small tree in the fr

Re: Topband: Radials help (Mark van Wijk) At-a-go Herb !!

2012-02-11 Thread Jim F.
I'm with you !   The delete key on the keyboard is for deleting.   But I use the mouse button (open) on this list, and devour every bit of information.   I assume I am in the majority here.  To often we bow to minority opinion, being the gentlemen that we are.   BTW, yesterday morning I called CQ/Q

Re: Topband: Spam:****, Re: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
On 2/11/2012 3:32 PM, ZR wrote: > . >> I remember when 160 meter and EME enthusiast Sam Harris (forgot his >> call) used the Arecibo Space Telescope for moon bounce. His efforts >> began a whole new resurgence of interest in this communications mode. >> now even some DX-peditions are trying it. >

Re: Topband: Radials help (Mark van Wijk)

2012-02-11 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
I disagree completely! I can quote a Chinese sage and author, his name escapes me.."A person can earn more talking to an intelligent man for an hour than by reading volumes for decades." I learn something with most of the posts and hope they continue because this is what this reflector

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-11 Thread Rik van Riel
On 02/11/2012 01:12 PM, k2...@juno.com wrote: > Hi Jack, > > Are you saying that the FCP works just as well as > an elevated or buried radial field??? > > I was under the impression that the FCP was just a way > to get on 160 when there wasn't room for a radial field... The FCP, and also the doubl

Re: Topband: Radials help (Mark van Wijk)

2012-02-11 Thread Panos Dalakos
Dear moderator Mark PA5MW said: ..."It is time to stop talking" I agree absolutely. Maybe it's hard but all of us have a copy of ARRL Antenna Book or Low Band DXing. I think that it's enough for the 50% of us.Read, study and act. Let's help the reflector to be helpful for everyone. There are

Topband: large antenna arrays

2012-02-11 Thread Lee K7TJR
I just posted some pictures of the US version of the woodpecker OTH radar on my personal web page. The Christmas Valley OR transmitter site is only about 100 Miles from my QTH. It was a site to behold. Personally, at1 Megawatt TX power I am glad they did not operate this one near here. ht

Re: Topband: Proper Decorum On The "Gentleman's Band"...

2012-02-11 Thread Gary Smith
I agree. What I don't understand is how people don't understand that "UP" means transmit up in freq. Yes, some forget to switch Xmit freq & call on the DX who is saying "UP 3". Got it... but when the "police" send your call on the DX Xmit freq & then tell you to transmit "UP" in the same b

Re: Topband: Proper Decorum On The "Gentleman's Band"...

2012-02-11 Thread Gary Smith
O... I smell a lot of kit building in the future! Gary - KA1J > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:59 AM, chacuff wrote: > > > Or move to the new Topband500Khz > > Exactly. For those that missed it - there is more here: > > http://www.arrl.org/news/world-radiocommunication-conference

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread Lee K7TJR
I just turned my webcam around and snapped a pix of the proposed array location. How can I resist that low take off angle on 160? Dreams, Ah. "http://www.k7tjr.com/culver_cam.htm"; Lee K7TJR From: W0UCE Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:10 AM To: 'Lee K7TJR' ; he...@vitelcom.net Cc:

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-11 Thread k2qmf
Hi Jack, Are you saying that the FCP works just as well as an elevated or buried radial field??? I was under the impression that the FCP was just a way to get on 160 when there wasn't room for a radial field... Thanks for any feedback. 73, Ted K2QMF On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:39:35 -0500 "W0UC

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread W0UCE
That would be great Lee but one system won't be enough, you will need to put up any number of systems so subscribers can be assured what is spotted can be heard in their area... Go for it... 73, Jack -Original Message- From: Lee K7TJR [mailto:k7...@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, Fe

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread Lee K7TJR
Ag, Herb you have stumbled on to the idea we have joked about here for some time. A pair of 8 element RX arrays for diversity receive served up by subscription on the internet. Located on top the double peaked 1200 foot hill 2 miles south of the shack here of course. I can dream cant I?

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
Jack, As the all band demand would increase the load from a 100 users to thousands, I guess it would be up to the system capacity and if the antennas are capable of the bandwidth requirement at one given moment without compromise. Maybe it would be done by subscriptions with on line payment o

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-11 Thread W0UCE
Bill: Why struggle with or even bother putting down radials when you can use a Folded Counterpoise? Click on the link below for details: http://www.w0uce.net/K2AVantennas.html I will be putting up a stick as tall as I can, with some sort of loading/matching, AND, as many radials

Topband: Radial question

2012-02-11 Thread kaz
Here's the product no topbander should be without: http://www.cafepress.com/bentwire.394449163 For the record, I have no fiduciary or otherwise financially beneficial relationship with Dr. DX. 73 de w4kaz ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-11 Thread Bill Cromwell
Hi, Trying to get up on top band on my small lot (free of antenna 'covenants') has forced the issue for me. I will be putting up a stick as tall as I can, with some sort of loading/matching, AND, as many radials as I live long enough to put down. That for transmit. I will use separate receive ante

Re: Topband: Radial question

2012-02-11 Thread W2PM
Amazing. Nano antennas aren't new but this guy presents them in an odd way, as if they form a mystical improvement to normal antennas. His starting comments are telling regarding the implied lossy nature of conventional cell phone antennas as he cites the heat as proof as the lossiness. The fac

Re: Topband: Radial question

2012-02-11 Thread Chortek, Robert L
I currently use the spray on my patio, lawn and driveway as a ground system. It works so well I took down my elevated radial system which made my XYL very happy. Now I have a much more efficient antenna AND a much happier wife. I have worked more DX on 160 this season than in all prior years co

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread W0UCE
Herb: If any organization or individual is fortunate enough to gain access to a CDAA there is no reason to limit use of SDR to 160 meters, any band 160 - 10 would benefit. 73, Jack Since some of these large antenna sites are no longer used it could be an ideal location for a SRD receiver feed

Topband: Radial question

2012-02-11 Thread Tree
I have a question for the radial experts out there. If I spray this stuff on my radials - will it improve my signal on 160 meters? It seems that this would help my signal reach its "happy spot" and "launch out into space". http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/11/spray-on-antenna-revealed-best-thing-t

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
Since some of these large antenna sites are no longer used it could be an ideal location for a SRD receiver feed (for 160 meters only) and with sufficient delay during contests to avoid their misuse, as a means to study propagation.A lease under a radio club would be an awesome experience t

Re: Topband: Proper Decorum On The "Gentleman's Band"...

2012-02-11 Thread James Rodenkirch
I think your take - knowing what the distribution is - is a worthy consideration, Tod. Using a technique called Bernard's approximation and given, oh, six to ten data points, and some graphing paper one could complete a "in the ball park" analysis of the type of distribution. Is it a Weibull

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-11 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
On 2/11/2012 8:01 AM, W2PM wrote: > New antenna models arenas ideas for them are one thing, but new laws of > physics? It's great to experiment but you can only work around the > fundementals. Discovering new principals is always in play, but that is very > different from new configurations of m

Re: Topband: Amazing Video of an extremely large circular array

2012-02-11 Thread Gedking
I wish I had taken Pics of our Rhombic Antenna farm at Camp Darby near Livorno (Leghorn) Italia At the Xmtr site we had Rhombic ant. in every direction 360 ft on a side wit three wires on each leg the dissipation line was four 1/8" nichrome wires. The rcvr site had smaller Rhombic's two f

Re: Topband: field day CQ 160

2012-02-11 Thread Petr Ourednik
Ludek, congrats for excellent job!!! You arranged very nice setup even although the wx was against as same as condx. Hope to see You on TB soon. 73 - Petr, OK1RP On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:20:42 +0100, "Luděk Odehnal OK2ZC OK3C" said: > web info > http://www.ok5z.cz/news/cqww-2012-pote/ > > pict

Re: Topband: Radials help

2012-02-11 Thread W2PM
New antenna models arenas ideas for them are one thing, but new laws of physics? It's great to experiment but you can only work around the fundementals. Discovering new principals is always in play, but that is very different from new configurations of metal. Even fractal antenna technology is

Re: Topband: NCJ Ground Radial Article

2012-02-11 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
Radials do not affect the angle of radiation. Dave WX7G On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:14 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Bob, >I found the NCJ article (http://www.ncjweb.com/k3lcmaxgainradials.pdf) > most interesting - thank you. I wonder if there is also an affect on the > angle of radiation wi

Topband: NCJ Ground Radial Article

2012-02-11 Thread Doug Turnbull
Bob, I found the NCJ article (http://www.ncjweb.com/k3lcmaxgainradials.pdf) most interesting - thank you. I wonder if there is also an affect on the angle of radiation with ground radial numbers. Is the issue solely one of gain and feed point impedance? At the moment I am helping a frie