Re: Topband: Amplitude Modulation

2012-02-21 Thread Mike Waters
Try http://amfone.net. Lots of good, knowledgeable people there, and some are on 160. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK

Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread Tod - ID
In thinking about the measurement of EIRP for the new band it occurred to me that this might be the time for a few folks to think about how we could fabricate a commonly calibrated field strength meter. Such a device might well be used on both 160m and the 600 kHz band. By commonly calibrated

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
You can get an absolute calibration by the reciprocity method, using two identical antennas. An extension of this technique is the 3 antenna method which gets rid of the assumption that the antennas are identical, by doing 3 pairs of measurements. In the reciprocity method, you transmit on one

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread Bill Cromwell
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 19:04 -0700, Tod - ID wrote: In thinking about the measurement of EIRP for the new band it occurred to me that this might be the time for a few folks to think about how we could fabricate a commonly calibrated field strength meter. Such a device might well be used on

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread Jack/W6NF
On 2/21/2012 8:26 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 19:04 -0700, Tod - ID wrote: The important thing is to have a way to assure that when someone measured the same field at the same point with the same type of measurement device they would get the same

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread W2XJ
The link provided below shows how to calculate EIRP. I think each administration will spell out the requirements of how to legally calculate EIRP. To me it is fairly straight forward. 60M in the US is an example. While there is an EIRP limitation, the FCC simplified the determination by

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread W2XJ
The Potomac Analog FIM is no longer available, nor are the parts to repair them and calibration service is no longer available. The new meters are expensive digital units. But in broadcast we do not use them to determine power but rather coverage usually when directional systems are tuned. On

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread Tod Olson
Joe, et. al I am quite certain that there will need to be different sense antennas for 160m and 630m. I would not be surprised if we did not also need bandpass filters for each of the bands as well. As I recall there were several circuits in QST using a single analog Devices unit to measure RF

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread W2XJ
As I posted earlier field measurement is not an accurate method of determining power. I seriously doubt an administration permit such a technique unless it was very dumbed down and produced very 'safe' results or in other words less power than could otherwise be achieved. On 2/21/12 2:54 PM, Tod

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread W2XJ
If you can find a used FIM 22 it goes from 200 KHz to 550 KHz. That said I can not see determining EIRP by field measurement. There are just two many variables and a degree of engineering skill not posessed by the average amateur. The various national authorities must have a means of

Re: Topband: EIRP Measurement

2012-02-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
If it is true that the skywave is stronger than the ground wave, then the power would need to be backed off, Fortunately, it is not true with short ground mounted monopole antennas. In order for the skywave to exceed the groundwave, the monopole needs to be longer than half wave (somewhere in

Re: Topband: Topband list and 630 Meters - the decision

2012-02-21 Thread Mike Waters
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM, ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com wrote: I recently talked to Ken Gordon, W7EKB, who owns 600...@w7ekb.com, the 600M experimental group forum about opening it up to hams Do you have a link to the forum, Carl? It doesn't appear to be on w7ekb.com. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com

Topband: 600 Meters live

2012-02-21 Thread Tod Olson
Here is a chance to see, if not hear, signals on 600 meters. http://w5jgv.com/Spectrum/index.htm There are a lot of guys who participated in the experimental effort - check out http://www.500kc.com/USA_600_M_Station_ID.htm - - - probably some of those guys we have worked on TopBand. Guess

Re: Topband: Topband list and 630 Meters - the decision

2012-02-21 Thread Mike Waters
Thanks. That must be it. http://www.500kc.com/Maillists.htm On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Tod Olson t...@k0to.us wrote: http://www.500kc.com/ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK