Topband: Need advice for K3 and RX BC AM

2012-03-12 Thread Jo, YC0LOW
My Elecraft K3 has no AM filters installed. I tried to RX AM broadcast stations on MW band but had no success. I'd be grateful if you could advice me to add it on, or, is there a way to do it as is, now pse? I need it as features to check the 160m RX antenna directions in the coming YB8Y

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
This is exactly why I got to looking at BOGs - I lack the space in a Northeasterly direction (Northwest too, for that matter). Mine is 220 feet, as suggested by some experiments with the resonant frequency of a dipole laid on the ground to derive a velocity factor - a technique suggested by

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Dan Kovatch
I'm in Carl's camp. Both my Bogs are shorter at about 350 feet but one was once over 500 and worked fine (had to shorten due to 'development of real estate'. I terminate at 270 ohms and wind xfrms for the same impedance. No preamp needed and they are very quiet so signals just pop out of the

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Petr Ourednik
Mike, I am confirming Carl's experiences. Just in my case the BOG is 600' long and terminated at 330 ohms. When I tried to use my W7IUV preamp giving 20dB it was too much and noisy. So finaly I am using this preamp with W2PM rotary loop and BOG is used alone w/o preamp and works very well on my

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Tracey Gardner
I'd be interested to know what critter/rodent damage these BOGs get? My experience, in the UK, of leaving the last 60m of my Beverage lying on the ground for a few days, is that the insulation got chewed through in seven places. I would be interested in trying a BOG but I have a feeling that

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread ZR
I went with the 2 BOG's stricty because of noise crud from yuppie neighbors in line with the SE and SW elevated 2 wire reversibles. When they shut off their toys and go to bed the elevated ones are better. The SW one stops 50' from their house which is too big for the property anyway. If you

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread ZR
Two winters ago I had insulated #10 stranded chewed completely thru in a few places and all concentrated in a 100' area. Spliced and soldered and it hasnt happened since. Lots of deer and other critters around here so anyone could have been the culprit. That BOG is made of odd lengths of scrap

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread N1BUG
If you need a preamp on any Beverage you have a problem IMO. Its too long, poorly terminated or there is a lot of feedline loss. Or you've been forced into some other bad situation. I have a local noise problem that is beyond my control. Unfortunately I can't afford the DXE noise canceller so

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread ZR
I dont find WD-1A or WF-16/U to be lossy at all when properly terminated at both ends. Thats what is used here for the 5 reversibles and a reversible BOG will be tried soon. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: N1BUG p...@n1bug.com To: Topband topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday,

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I dont know if Id trust trying to use a resonant dipole on the ground to determine the VF of a non resonant wire. In any case keep the VF at about .6 or higher when determining the maximum length of the BOG, Slinky, or any other Beverge form. Carl KM1H It was clear there was a lot of

Topband: What K2AV says about BOGs

2012-03-12 Thread W0UCE
Guy and I experimented at my former QTH and I ended up with two sets of two element 260' BOG arrays one centered on 45, the other on 285 Degrees and a 75' Square LOG (Loop on Ground) Favoring N/S - All three antennas worked well, always doing better in A/B tests versus my K9AY Loop and often

Topband: Need advice for K3 and RX BC AM

2012-03-12 Thread Mike Greenway
I use my K3 on the AM 550 - 1700 MW broadcast by just turning the width to 5 KHhz and selecting the AM mode . I do turn the PREAMP and receive most station fairly well but if you are serious about the MW area outside the ham bands you will probably need the General Coverage module installed.

Re: Topband: Need advice for K3 and RX BC AM

2012-03-12 Thread Bill and Liz
I have the general coverage module in my K3 and I can report that it works very well on the BC band as well as MW. I do not have the AM filter but AM still sounds OK. Bill VE3NH - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database:

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Garry Shapiro
My experience with canid (coyote and wolf) urines suggests that if canids are not the local predator of interest--coyotes in England?--it may not work. Garry, NI6T On 3/12/2012 6:15 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: Two words - coyote urine. Seriously the local Southern States sells a critter

Topband: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
Man, you Westerners are naive! We even have coyotes in downtown Washington and New York City. Ratty looking, but out there hunting. Anyhow, the general idea is pick something the the wee beasties don't like, and lay it on! 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread ZR
Its very easy to match when using the BN73-202 if you use half turn steps when needed and use an antenna bridge to confirm since ferrite Al values have a wide tolerance. And with a low impedance line such as WD-1A there IS a difference in antenna mode and transmission line mode values. Plus

Re: Topband: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread ZR
Gary, the coyotes you and I grew up with were the stadium cheerleaders between Valley Stream Central and North. Boy, they were worse than the guys! Carl - Original Message - From: Garry Shapiro ga...@ni6t.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:31 PM Subject: Re:

Re: Topband: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
F'heaven's sake, Garry, I meant naive about how widely they range in the East, and it was all tongue in cheek, from beginning to end. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at

Re: Topband: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Wayne Rogers
Go Mustangs! Wayne from Mineola!!! -- From: ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:57 PM To: ga...@ni6t.com; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough? Gary, the coyotes you and

Topband: Fw: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Bruce
Speaking of tongue in cheek, I'll bite. Has anyone found a wire covering that the critters do not like to lunch on, or are they using it for dental floss ? 73 Bruce - Original Message - From: Pete Smith N4ZR n...@contesting.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012

Re: Topband: Fw: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Mike Coreen Smith
I don't know, so I am asking. What about using galvanized fencing wire? This stuff is tough, and doesn't rust, even when outside for a decade. I'd like to see a squirell (or any critter) gnaw through that. I have a hard time with my side cutters. I make dipole, etc. out of it and it really

Re: Topband: Fw: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Garry Shapiro
The common wisdom passed to me is that they don't like PE as well as they like PVC. However, all my PE-jacketed coax rotator loops 130' up on a redwood tree were munched to oblivion in the past year. They are being held together with Scotch 33 until I can pull everything down this Spring. And

Re: Topband: Fw: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread Paul_group
On 13/03/2012 01:21, Bruce wrote: Speaking of tongue in cheek, I'll bite. Has anyone found a wire covering that the critters do not like to lunch on, or are they using it for dental floss ? 73 Bruce The only armouring that I ever had any success with is brass tape. The rodents still

Re: Topband: Fw: Deterring Critters was:Re: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread john
first, try not to handle stuff with out latex glove,,, they including politicians are are attracted to the salt of our labor from us john w8wej On 3/13/2012 1:21 AM, Bruce wrote: Speaking of tongue in cheek, I'll bite. Has anyone found a wire covering that the critters do not like to lunch

Topband: BOGs critters

2012-03-12 Thread Preston Smith
Tracey BOGs here are made from #14 stranded insulated house wire stored off season on Cordwynds. Before rolling out at the start of each low band season the reel is submerged for a week in a tub of diesel fuel mixed with a bag of chili powder. This procedure renders the wire is far less tasty to

Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

2012-03-12 Thread ZR
There is a major difference between a resonant antenna and a one wire transmission line whose sole purpose in life is to be unbalanced in respect to ground. Trying to compare them doesnt work well and neither does modelling these types of grounds unless you work for the government and have

Re: Topband: BOGs critters

2012-03-12 Thread W0UCE
Pres: You better hope a migrating Mexican Chiwawa doesn't wander across the border and into your BOG Field. When the wind is right the aroma from bag of Chili is an open invitation. Mm muy bueno amigo Dinner Time -Original Message- From: topband-boun...@contesting.com

Topband: Fw: Deterring Critters

2012-03-12 Thread PTA_ABD
I basically live in the woods, and we have all the perpetrators. The only cable any critter ever chewed through was gray jacketed RG8x. I've never encountered cable or wire damage on anything else, gray, black or otherwise. We do have visiting coyotes and foxes, but they doesn't get 'em all. I

Topband: BUG (Beverage under ground)?

2012-03-12 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Anyone know the skin depth of earth at 1.8 and 3.5MHz and how that might impact a BOG buried three to six inches? Local soil is very poor mostly sand. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK

Re: Topband: BUG (Beverage under ground)?

2012-03-12 Thread Chuck
On 3/12/2012 8:41 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Anyone know the skin depth of earth at 1.8 and 3.5MHz and how that might impact a BOG buried three to six inches? Local soil is very poor mostly sand. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ___ UR RST IS ... ...