Re: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Spencer Dawkins at IETF
... On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Mirja Kühlewind < mirja.kuehlew...@tik.ee.ethz.ch> wrote: > I believe the problem that is addressed with this proposals is actually > assessing streaming quality from the outside/network if you don’t have > access to do the measurement on the endpoint in the a

Re: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Ali C. Begen
Well, with most streams becoming encrypted, in-network monitoring have to be mostly heuristics based. Whether that is something to be specified, this list can discuss it I think. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Mirja Kühlewind < mirja.kuehlew...@tik.ee.ethz.ch> wrote: > I believe the problem tha

Re: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
I believe the problem that is addressed with this proposals is actually assessing streaming quality from the outside/network if you don’t have access to do the measurement on the endpoint in the app. Not saying that we need or should do this work but that’s why this might be relevant to transpor

Re: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Ali C. Begen
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Mirja Kühlewind < mirja.kuehlew...@tik.ee.ethz.ch> wrote: > This is the area list, not a wg; we are not working on any document. The > purpose of announcing this work here is to figure if there is any > interested in this work and if so where it should be done. >

Re: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
This is the area list, not a wg; we are not working on any document. The purpose of announcing this work here is to figure if there is any interested in this work and if so where it should be done. > Am 17.07.2017 um 14:16 schrieb Ali C. Begen : > > Well, I believe you wanna come up with some

Re: 答复: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Huangyihong (Rachel)
Hi, Our work mainly focuses on TCP based metrics for streams, not going to collect metrics in application layer (HTTP or above). But yes, we’ll do some gap analysis to make sure we’re not doing something that already exit. BR, Rachel 发件人: Ali C. Begen [mailto:ali.begen@networked.media] 发送时间: 2

Re: 答复: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Ali C. Begen
Well, I believe you wanna come up with some metrics for streaming video over http and want to extend MDI for that. Well, MDI was not designed for that at all, so extending it in that direction is not a good idea. Further, there is already tons of work other organizations have done to collect metric

re: 答复: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Huangyihong (Rachel)
Hi Ali, That’s one part that MDI could not do, and we hope some new metrics could be used, which is the intention of this work. As for the RTCP XR metrics, it’s not quite realistic in middle devices like routers, to implement them, e.g., post-repair metrics, which will need the devices to have

Re: 答复: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Ali C. Begen
You wanna use MDI to measure media delivery over TCP? On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > We have customers using MDI to address new needs, such as > wifi performance measurement MDI falls short when measuring delivery of > streaming media over tcp, that is why we think it > should

答复: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Qin Wu
We have customers using MDI to address new needs, such as wifi performance measurement MDI falls short when measuring delivery of streaming media over tcp, that is why we think it should be extended. Yes, rtcp XR has its value. But I think they could be complimentary. Sent from HUAWEI AnyOffice

Re: Proposal for revising RFC4445 or make RFC4445bis

2017-07-17 Thread Ali C. Begen
I am really curious about who is using MDI anymore. Can you share data if you have it? RTCP XR is still extensively used and for non-RTP, it is a mixed of several things. -acbegen On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > Hi, All: > > We like to get a sense of this idea, more than 10 yea